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    New member, first time pool owner.

    I had my pool built last summer and survived a whole year with new major issues but in need of help now.

    When I attempt to run my water feature my system is telling me there is not enough water flow... Called the pool company and they sent a tech to my house who said the issue was a dirty filter and charged me $85. For the visit. One week later am having the same issue. I guess my question is do I need a new filter cartridge or can there possibly something jammed in the line causing the issue

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Welcome to TFP!

    A dirty cartridge is certainly a possibility. What does the pressure gauge on the filter read, and how does that compare to what it usually reads?
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    The gauge normally reads in the mid to high teens, when the water flow issue happens it's reading close to 30. How often should I be. Hanging the cartridge.

    Thanks for the help

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    We recommend cleaning the filter when the pressure rises 20-25% over the clean pressure ... sounds like you are waiting WAY too long and the filter is doing its job.

    What does the water look like?
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Am cleaning the filter weekly which makes me think I need a new cartridge.

    Overall water looks pretty good just a bit cloudy. Pool store recommended that I add some conditioner.

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Ignore the non-sense that the pool stores tell you.

    Cloudy water is generally a chemistry problem ... like inadequate chlorine which is letting algae grow and the clog your filter.

    Post up a full set of test results, ideally from one of the Recommended Test Kits.

    Please add your location (City, State or City, Country) to your profile and pool details to your signature as described HERE as it will help us help you in the future.
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    I have updated my profile and signature like you have asked and posting a picture from today readings from the pool store. I will definetly look into buying my own test kits.

    Once again thanks for the help.
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1408661160.991948.jpg




    CONCRETE SHELL:
    a. Concrete to be 5,000 psi shotcrete
    b. 14x28 roman
    c. 3 to 5 to 3 deep
    d. Bond beam to be 10
    e. 8 elevated beam, raised 12
    f. Four (4) concrete steps in shallow end

    . PLUMBING:
    a. Main drain suction lines to be 2.5 Schedule 40 PVC
    b. All plumbing to be pressure tested to filter location
    c. Pool to have one (1) channel drain
    d. Pool to have one (1) skimmer
    e. One (1) 3 sheer descent water feature on elevated beam
    f. Pool to have Quick Fresh recirculation system (6 in-floor heads, 3 wall returns)
    g. Auto refill
    h. Pre-plumb for future cleaner

    . TILE:
    a. Tile to be 6x6 standard tile from contractor vendor
    b. 6x6 tile on elevated beam

    . DECK:
    a. Install approximately 83 ln.ft. concrete brick paver pool coping at pool, standard color and mortar mix
    b. Install approximately 796 square feet 1 thin pavers on existing covered lanai area
    c. Install approximately 1,067 square feet standard concrete brick pavers at pool deck, standard color and pattern
    d. 57 baby barrier fencing, standard black

    . POOL INTERIOR:
    Interior finish of the pool will be upgraded White Pearl Pebble interior with choice of blue, teal or combination accent pebbles
    - EQUIPMENT:
    a. (1) Pentair VS 3050 pool pump
    b. (1) Pentair PLM 200 cartridge filter
    c. (1) Pentair Intellibrite LED color changing pool light
    d. (1) Pentair IC 20 salt chlorine generator

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Just realized that the picture is not legible below are the readings

    FAC: .5
    TAC: .5
    Salt: 3000
    CH: 350
    CYA: 45
    TA: 120
    PH: 7.8
    PHO: 100





    CONCRETE SHELL:
    a. Concrete to be 5,000 psi shotcrete
    b. 14x28 roman
    c. 3 to 5 to 3 deep
    d. Bond beam to be 10
    e. 8 elevated beam, raised 12
    f. Four (4) concrete steps in shallow end

    . PLUMBING:
    a. Main drain suction lines to be 2.5 Schedule 40 PVC
    b. All plumbing to be pressure tested to filter location
    c. Pool to have one (1) channel drain
    d. Pool to have one (1) skimmer
    e. One (1) 3 sheer descent water feature on elevated beam
    f. Pool to have Quick Fresh recirculation system (6 in-floor heads, 3 wall returns)
    g. Auto refill
    h. Pre-plumb for future cleaner

    . TILE:
    a. Tile to be 6x6 standard tile from contractor vendor
    b. 6x6 tile on elevated beam

    . DECK:
    a. Install approximately 83 ln.ft. concrete brick paver pool coping at pool, standard color and mortar mix
    b. Install approximately 796 square feet 1 thin pavers on existing covered lanai area
    c. Install approximately 1,067 square feet standard concrete brick pavers at pool deck, standard color and pattern
    d. 57 baby barrier fencing, standard black

    . POOL INTERIOR:
    Interior finish of the pool will be upgraded White Pearl Pebble interior with choice of blue, teal or combination accent pebbles
    - EQUIPMENT:
    a. (1) Pentair VS 3050 pool pump
    b. (1) Pentair PLM 200 cartridge filter
    c. (1) Pentair Intellibrite LED color changing pool light
    d. (1) Pentair IC 20 salt chlorine generator

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    You location is still not in your profile and your forum signature is blank (did you check the box to show it?) We certainly do NOT what that huge wall of text describing your pool.

    You FC is way too low for your CYA level which is likely your problem. See the FC/CYA Chart.

    How much Pool School have you read? Start with these:
    ABCs of Water Chemistry
    Recommended Pool Chemicals
    How to Chlorinate Your Pool
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Orange Park Florida. Obviously am doing something wrong. Am using tampa talk app and thought I set it up properly




    CONCRETE SHELL:
    Concrete Shell
    b. 14x28 roman
    c. 3 to 5 to 3 deep

    . PLUMBING:
    a. Main drain suction lines to be 2.5 Schedule 40 PVC
    b. All plumbing to be pressure tested to filter location
    c. Pool to have one (1) channel drain
    d. Pool to have one (1) skimmer
    e. One (1) 3 sheer descent water feature on elevated beam
    f. Pool to have Quick Fresh recirculation system (6 in-floor heads, 3 wall returns)
    g. Auto refill
    h. Pre-plumb for future cleaner

    - EQUIPMENT:
    a. (1) Pentair VS 3050 pool pump
    b. (1) Pentair PLM 200 cartridge filter
    c. (1) Pentair Intellibrite LED color changing pool light
    d. (1) Pentair IC 20 salt chlorine generator

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    You can not do it in Tapatalk. You need to go to the forum in a browser. We limit the signature lines to 5 ... yours is now 20.

    - - - Updated - - -

    You also can not access Pool School articles directly within Tapatalk either.
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    I had the same problem last year with low flow and cleaning the cartridges too much. Main problem was not maintaining enough chlorine which generated algae and clogged the filters. Second problem was not cleaning the cartridges effectively. Third problem was not enough CYA. I upped the chlorine level added some CYA and I found a thread here that describes a better way to clean cartridges.

    Get a good hose nozzle, some TSP and a trash can big enough to hold your filters. I also bought a spare set of filters. Preclean the filters some by quickly spraying the filters off, put them in the can, add some TSP, fill with water and let them soak a while. Couple days to a week usually, then take them out and let them dry for another week or so. Then hose them off with a strong jet of water, this takes close to an hour for my four Pentair 520 cartridges. Then I set them aside for use next time I need to swap filters. Except I haven't needed to all summer because I am maintaining enough chlorine and my pressure hasn't risen all summer.

    The other thing I did this winter was add a gallon of bleach every few weeks to maintain chlorine above 10 all winter. We have salt and it doesn't work in cold water but algae still grew, which gave us fits last spring with clogging the filters. Apparently, nothing clogs filters faster than a never ending source of algae.

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Thank you pool dv. I will add conditioner tonight and shock the pool once again to attack the algae problem. Would you recommended I shock it every night for a week?

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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    You should not add conditioner.
    You should follow the ShockLevelAndMAINTAIN Process. READ the article ... and all the others I have posted links to!!!

    Once the SLAM process is completed by passing the 3 criteria to stop ... then you can add some CYA to help the SWG maintain proper FC levels.
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    Re: New member, first time pool owner.

    Definitely need to get the algae killed and under control first. Then fix your water chemistry. Then clean your filters. It is certainly worth your time to read and follow the instructions in pool school. I had to read it a few times before it started making sense, but I knew nothing to start with. I went from novice pool owner to easily maintained sparkly clear water in just a few months.

    I have done nothing to my pool in 2 years except add CYA, change the % on my SWG occasionally and add acid when my wife runs the waterfall all day. And we have a LOT of trees the dump a LOT of junk in the pool. I test about once a month (maybe less) with my TF-100. TFP rocks!

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