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    New Member/Questions

    Hi everyone!

    I'm a new pool owner (an 11,500 gallon IG pebble in case it doesn't show up in my signature) in Tucson, Ariz., and I've enjoyed lurking and reading lots and lots of threads over the last few weeks. You guys are amazing. Here's the story: previous owners relied on tabs and power powder. So here's what we have, after the overnight FC test, which I just completed:.

    FC: 10 (was 14.5 before bed)
    CC: .5 (.5 before bed0
    PH: 7.2 (yesterday, before I added a lot of bleach. this morning 7.5)
    CYA: 240 (used 1/3 pool water, 2/3 tap water and multiplied by 3 to arrive at this number)
    CH: 2100 (!) (fill water here is 70)
    TA: 140

    Here are some starting questions:

    1) I realize I need to drain and refill. Is the heat an issue with my pebble pool, or can I drain this anytime, day or night?

    2) Theoretically, could I operate this pool economically with such high CYA and CH levels if I managed to keep FC at a high baseline and kept PH down at 7.2?

    3) What should I do to clean the pool while it's emptying? Can I just refill right away? Overall, seems pretty clean, but I haven't seen this pool in its truly clean state.

    4) We get lots of evaporation here, so I've been adding water every few days (at least, I think it's evaporation). I guess this is one of the things that's making my CH so high, the other being the previous owner's liberal use of powder. Is this just something I'm going to have to live with?

    5) We have a jandy valve at the pool to control between Kreepy Krauly and skimmer (pool has a main drain but it seems to be inoperative; there's no diverter in the skimmer, just two empty holes). I cleaned the cartridges a few weeks ago, bringing the PSI in the filter down to 12, and now it's back up to about 20, and the Krauly is going slow or not at all (unless I really open the valve). Why doesn't the Krauly want to work is it just pressure related? I don't see debris in the Krauly mouth and regularly clean the skimmer/pump baskets.

    6) I notice that the filter pressure varies depending on how much I leave the Kreepy Krauly valve on vs. skimmer generally, it lowers a couple PSI when the Kreepy Krauly is really going at it, if I can get it to really go at it. Normal?

    7) Considering either an SWG or a liquidator, mainly for those times when I'm away. Any truth to the rumor that bees are attracted to SWG pools? Should I just rely on tabs for vacations (I don't travel that much) and keep an eye on CYA?

    8) In general, I'd like to rely on dry acid when needed, rather than muriatic, since we have a 1-year-old here and I'd rather work with the less hazardous material. Is that going to break the bank?

    Thanks! I'm sure I'll be back with more questions.

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    P.S. I realize I asked too many questions. Just got excited. Sorry!
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    Is my initial post showing up? When I click on it, nothing appears. A post I tried to make to replace it was deleted. Sorry to be so difficult on post #1...
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    Quote Originally Posted by MugZona View Post
    Is my initial post showing up? When I click on it, nothing appears. A post I tried to make to replace it was deleted. Sorry to be so difficult on post #1...
    New members' first posts require moderator approval before they are visible in the forum. You should see it now.
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    Thanks. Actually, the thread is here but the initial post seems to be empty (no text). Can we delete these and start over?
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    1) You don't want your plaster exposed to the sun anymore than you have to. You may want to look around and see if reverse osmosis pool filtering is available in your area. It may be an option.

    2) I don't see how you could operate at 2100ppm CH.

    3) Just get the water out and back in unless the pool has calcium scaling. Then you might want to investigate an acid wash to remove it.

    4) Maybe. A solar cover would help.

    5) Your cartridges are dirty. They may need replacing or acid soaking to remove calcium. Check with the cartridge manufacturer for soaking guidance.

    6) Normal.

    7) You'll probably have a better feel after you own the pool for a while, so I'd wait.

    8) Stick with the muriatic. Keep it in a bucket locked away from your child. Any pool chemical can be just as harmful to a young child as muriatic acid.
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    Thanks. Actually, the thread is here but the initial post seems to be empty (no text). Can we delete these and start over?
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    Thanks, John!

    As far as draining, where do I send the water go from the submersible pump? The local water company says I can just let it drain anywhere, and didn't mention using the sewer cleanout. The groundwater level here in Tucson is around 300 feet underground, so am I right to assume draining will not be a problem re: hydrostatic pressure? Does anything change/become more dangerus for the pool if I drain the pool into the big wide open dirt space behind the house?
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    Or---hook it up to a sprinkler and water your lawn. The only downside of emptying it on the dirt is you'll have the only mud bog in AZ.
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    I don't see how you can avoid a partial (80% or better) drain. Just to maintain adequate FC at 240 CYA will mean the minimum FC is 18. That effectively makes the pH test useless, and with 2100 CH, you really need to know pH to prevent scaling.

    This thread will show you with pictures what happens to the pH test at high FC levels http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...els-with-R-007
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    OK — thanks very much.
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    Not to get off point from your great questions (I'm getting a SWG & want bees answer too) -
    Welcome to TFP!!! You are gonna love it here & the great advice by everyone is priceless! We are learning so much too! The people here are so kind & SMART. Best of luck, now I'll but out & go back to learning & lurking
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    Re: New Member/Questions

    Thanks, TeamNelson! I've learned a ton just lurking, too. Can't wait to have a trouble-free pool.
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