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    need opinions on this pool bid.

    I know this is long but would really appreciate any input as I'm a complete newbie. This is a bid we received for a reputable pool builder..dreamscapes by mgr...in ladera ranch,ca for a pool/spa/hardscape and roofed outdoor room.



    Description Amt Unit Unit Price *Options Price
    A. Demolition
    1. Demo existing backyard hardscape - Allowance
    until site survey 950 S.F. $ 3.50 $ 3,325.00
    2.
    Demo existing backyard sod in immediate
    construction area- Includes all sod- back and right
    side slope to be reviewed and bid separately bid-
    Allowance until site survey 690 S.F. $ 2.00 $ 1,380.00
    3. Saw cut and remove concrete for plumbing lines
    at right side yard 55 S.F. $ 3.00 $ 1 65.00
    TOTAL A: $ 4,870.00
    B. Gas & Electrical
    1. Gas run to BBQ-T'd off from heater run 14 L.F. $ 10.00 $ 140.00
    Gas run to optional fire bowl-T'd off from heater
    run 38 L.F. $ 10.00 $ 380.00
    2. Electrical for BBQ 71 L.F. $ 9.00 $ 639.00
    Electrical to loggia- Looped from BBQ run 25 L.F. $ 9.00 $ 225.00
    Electrical 220v for patio cover heater from
    electrical main 105 L.F. $ 10.00 $ 1,050.00
    Electrical for landscape lighting transformers if
    needed 15 L.F. $ 9.00 $ 135.00
    3. GFI Outlets at BBQ 3 EA. $ 145.00 $ 435.00
    GFI Outlet- Misc 2 EA. $ 145.00 $ 290.00
    4. Electrical and Gas Permits $ 350.00
    TOTAL B: $ 2,459.00
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    C. POOL AND SPA
    1. Standard features included in your Dreamscapes pool and spa:
    ■ Pre-construction meeting with project manager to review pool layout prior to dig
    ■ All steel reinforcing to meet or exceed engineering specifications and local building codes
    ■ Steel to have 3" clearance from soil for proper shotcrete thickness and structural integrity
    ■ Non corrosive pool plumbing above ground is U.V. protected to prevent rusting
    ■ Schedule 40 PVC plumbing for entire pool circulation system
    ■ All plumbing to be pressure tested throughout construction
    ■ Filter to have backwash line connection to 3"sewer line to clean out filter & drain pool
    ■ Solid conductor bonding of the steel pool structure
    ■ 4,000 PSI Shotcrete used to resist structural stress factors & increase the
    integrity of the pool shell
    ■ Pool and spa interior to be hand troweled white plaster
    ■ Cleaning tools (Pool brush, leaf net, telescoping pole, and thermometer)
    ■ Pool start up w/ labeled valves and pipes for owner's convenience
    2. Pool size- 28'- 6" x 14' at widest points 368 S.F. $ 31,200.00
    86' perimeter
    Pool depth to be 3'-6" to 5'-6"
    3. Spa-7' x 7' (49 s.f.) w/ 6 therapy jets $ 5,200.00
    28' perimeter; Spa raised 18"
    6 jets total for spa; Depth to be 3'-6"
    Optional extra 4 standard jets for 10 jets total-
    Extra pump required 4 EA. $ 100.00 $ 400.00
    Upgrade 10 standard jets to oscillating massage
    and pulsating jets 10 EA. $ 65.00 $ 650.00
    4. Pool Plumbing with Hayward equipment: $ 5,850.00
    400k B.T.U. H Series heater; Echostar Variable
    Speed pump for circulation; 60 S.F. D.E. filter;
    White LED lights for pool and spa (one each- two
    total)
    Upgrade LED lights to color changing lights 2 each $ 350.00 $ 700.00
    Additional pump for independent control of sheer
    descent water features 1 each $ 950.00
    Additional pump for additional jets, if option is
    taken 1 each $ 1,025.00
    5. Auto re-fill line to pool $ 350.00
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    6. Distance of plumbing from pool and spa
    equipment 80 L.F. $ 20.00 $ 1,600.00
    Plumbing for sheer decent water features 1 EA $ 450.00 $ 450.00
    7. Gas line from meter of house to pool and spa
    equipment trenched 18" under grade 138 L.F. $ 13.00 $ 1,794.00
    8.
    Electrical at pool equipment- Includes: Sub panel,
    junction box, GFI, heater and pump hook up. Base $ 2,000.00
    Electrical main line from meter to pool equipment
    and to pool light 135 L.F. $ 9.00 $ 1,215.00
    9. Automatic Salt Chlorinator system $ 1,250.00
    10. Upgrade white plaster to Stonescape Mini
    Pebble Finish for pool and spa 109 L.F. $ 44.00 $ 4,796.00
    11.
    Hayward ProLogic PS-4- includes Aqua Connect
    for Home network/internet capability; wireless
    antenna, and wireless spa remote puck. No
    indoor keypad given- homeowner can use any
    Ipad or Android device for system control 1 EA $ 2,960.00 $ 2,960.00
    12. Pool Raised Bond Beam:
    Raised +12" 28 L.F. $ 40.00 $ 1,120.00
    Raised +24" 12 L.F. $ 70.00 $ 840.00
    13. 5' PVC Sheer descent water feature 1 EA $ 950.00 $ 950.00
    14.
    Heliocol Pool Solar System- 4o0s.f. system.
    Includes full 10 year warranty on collectors, parts,
    labor and installation- Allowance until site
    survey by solar technician $ 5,485.00
    15. Manual Fire bowl at back wall of pool- Essex 31"-
    Includes lava rock 1 EA $ 1,885.00 $ 1,885.00
    Plumbing requires access to sewer P-trap. If not easily accessible extra
    charges could apply.
    Upgrade of existing electrical panel , if necessary, is not included in this
    proposal and to be paid direct by homeowner to electrician.
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    16.
    Soils testing and engineering will be required for
    new pool per city requirement. Costs to be paid
    direct to Soils Engineer for all testing and
    reports. Approx. costs $800.00
    17. Trash & haul away after shotcrete $ 500.00
    TOTAL C: $ 59,115.00
    D. Back Yard
    1. P.I.P. colored concrete pool and back pool wall
    coping w/ standard straight edge coping 116 L.F. $ 30.00 $ 3,480.00
    2. Travertine waterline tile @ pool and spa (up to $5
    per s.f. allowance) 55 S.F. $ 2 2.00 $ 1 ,210.00
    Add travertine tile veneer to spa spill way (up to
    $5 per s.f. allowance) 4 S.F. $ 2 2.00 $ 8 8.00
    3. Stone panel veneer at 12" and 24" H back pool
    wall and outside of spa face- (stone to have a
    $8.00 per s.f. allowance) 108 S.F. $ 28.00 $ 3,024.00
    4. Travertine paver decking on sand base- (up to
    $5.00 per s.f. allowance) - Add $1.50 per s.f. for
    Versai pattern 866 S.F. $ 15.00 $ 12,990.00
    Olson Concrete paver decking on sand base-
    (pavers up to $3.00 per s.f. allowance) 866 S.F. $ 12.00 $ 10,392.00
    Concrete Band around portion of decking 165 L.F. $ 11.00 $ 1,815.00
    5. Open beam patio cover, 8x8 wood posts, 8x10
    header beams and 6x8 joists, 2x3 shade boards,
    Douglas fir primed and painted, Down lights or
    ceiling fan by separate bid
    238 S.F. $ 8,550.00
    Permits and engineering $ 800.00
    Overhead structure footing- Allowance until final
    engineering, based on 2'x2'x2' dimensions 2 EA $ 350.00 $ 700.00
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    6.
    Solid Overhead Structure 17' x 14' (includes
    Gable roof, beams, 8x8 pressure treated wood
    posts, tile roofing to match house, open beam
    ceiling, etc…)- allowance until final engineering
    and detail specs 238 S.F. $ 7 0.00 $ 16,660.00
    Engineering for cover- Allowance $ 1,200.00
    Overhead structure footing 2 EA $ 650.00 $ 1,300.00
    Option price for Low Voltage lights throughout
    cover w/ transformer 4 EA $ 185.00 $ 7 40.00
    Seamless aluminum raingutters- Ogee style w/
    paint 1 EA $ 985.00 $ 9 85.00
    Cable TV conduit run to family room (TV, all
    audio, cable and TV installation by owner)-
    Allowance on l.f. until confirmed run 68 L.F. $ 3.00 $ 204.00
    Hook up of owner provided ceiling fan 1 EA $ 325.00 $ 325.00
    Infratech Heater- W- Series- 60" Dual Element
    w/ install- Needs 220V elec. Run 2 EA $ 1 ,125.00 $ 2,250.00
    Switches for Infratech Heaters 2 EA $ 150.00 $ 300.00
    7. 30" High structure columns 2 EA $ 525.00 $ 1,050.00
    Stone panel veneer at column- (stone to have a
    $8.00 per s.f. allowance) 35 S.F. $ 28.00 $ 980.00
    8.
    36" High BBQ and serving counter structure with
    smooth stucco veneer and travertine tile
    countertop (up to $5 per s.f. allowance) 17.5 L.F. $ 315.00 $ 5 ,512.50
    Add bi-level smooth at 42" H w/ tile veneer
    counter top 12 L.F. $ 45.00 $ 5 40.00
    9. Gravel at pool equipment area 50 S.F. $ 3.00 $ 1 50.00
    10. Site Preparation, light grading, Dump And
    Recycling Fees $ 1 ,200.00
    TOTAL D: $ 52,924.50
    BBQ and access doors supplied by owner and installed by Dreamscapes.
    Additional hardware provided by owner and installed by Dreamscapes at
    $125/piece
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    E. Right Side
    1. Color Concrete to replace saw cut of existing
    concrete for main plumbing lines 55 S.F. $ 8.00 $ 4 40.00
    2. 5' High block retunr wall with stucco cap and
    stucco veneer faces to match exisitng removed for
    dig access 2 L.F. $ 115.00 $ 2 30.00
    New pool safe fencing and gate by owner or
    separate bid
    TOTAL E: $ 670.00
    F. Irrigation- Backyard only
    1.
    Automatic sprinkler valves pop ups & spray
    heads with Rain Bird- allowance until site survey
    and pressure test; Damage of existing irrigation
    is to be expected during construction.
    Dreamscapes will do it's best to limit damage
    and repair of existing irrigation will be by
    separate bid once site review can be done after
    demo and pool dig 3 Each $ 700.00 $ 2,100.00
    Existing Automatic station timer to be used
    Drip irrigation and drainage for pots 2 Each $ 75.00 $ 150.00
    Pot prep and installation of owner provided potsallowance
    2 Each $ 80.00 $ 160.00
    Drainage- Backyard only, to tie into existing line on side yards.
    1. Drainage- 4" SDR 35 pipe with Brass Drain
    Grates- Drains to tie into existing drains at back
    and side yards 275 L.F. $ 8.25 $ 2,268.75
    TOTAL F: $ 2,268.75
    G. Lighting- Price reflects matte bronze finish
    1. Directional lights Top-UL142MBR- LED 10 Each $ 125.00 $ 1,250.00
    Pot light Top-UL-118-MBR LED 2 Each $ 130.00 $ 260.00
    Path lights- Top-PL358-MBR LED 3 Each $ 135.00 $ 405.00
    Wall Washer- Top-WL454-MBR- LED 0 Each $ 130.00 $ -
    Transformer with timer- 300 W 1 Each $ 500.00 $ 500.00
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    Direct burial cable with trenching and connectorsallowance
    dependant upon final lighting runs 100 L.F $ 2 .25 $ 225.00
    3" Sleeves for future access- allowance dependant 50 L.F $ 4.00 $ 200.00
    TOTAL G: $ -
    H. Planting
    ***Crane fees for Olive Trees and 48" trees or larger are not included and to be paid direct by owner
    1. 24" box Tree 2 each $ 375.00 $ 7 50.00
    2. 15 gal shrubs 5 each $ 125.00 $ 625.00
    15 gal premium shrubs 2 each $ 175.00 $ 350.00
    3. 5 gal shrubs 45 each $ 31.00 $ 1,395.00
    5 gal premium shrubs 20 each $ 39.00 $ 780.00
    1 gal shrubs 25 each $ 11.00 $ 275.00
    1 gal premium shrubs 15 each $ 15.00 $ 225.00
    Flats of ground cover 0 each $ 30.00 $ -
    Flats of annual color 0 each $ 30.00 $ -
    Flats of premium annual color 0 each $ 60.00 $ -
    4. Marathon II Sod- Allowance on s.f. 170 s.f. $ 3.00 $ 510.00
    Soil preparation & amendments (Agriform
    tablets, organic fertilizer, compost, & 15-15-15
    starter) 4 Yds $ 125.00 $ 500.00
    Tree staking 0 each $ 30.00 $ -
    Rootbarriers 0 each $ 40.00 $ -
    Bark topper- allowance on yds 6 Yds $ 500.00
    Removal of extra dirt after plant installation-
    Allowance only; Price shown is for one 2 ton
    truckload each 1 EA $ 275.00 $ 500.00
    TOTAL H: $ -
    $ 122,307.25
    Exotic/Specialty plants or trees to be bid separately
    GRAND TOTAL OF ITEMS A -H ====>
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    Special Notes
    * All proposal items above in blue text are options and not currently included in proposal total
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    and self closing latch at 54" high by owner
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    * Visit www.gardenpassages.com for custom wooden gates
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    BID HONORED FOR 60 DAYS
    PAYMENT SCHEDULE
    $ 1,000.00 1 Signing of Contract
    $ 3,892.29 2 Pool Plans, Permits, & Engineering
    $ 4,892.29 3 Commencement of Demo
    $ 14,676.87 4 2 Days before Pool Excavation
    $ 19,569.16 5 Commencement of Plumbing & Steel
    $ 18,346.09 6 Day of Shotcrete
    $ 14,676.87 7 Commencing of drains
    $ 8,561.51 8 Completion of pool coping
    $ 3,669.22 9
    $ 9,784.58 10
    $ 14,676.87 11 Commencement of patio cover
    $ 3,669.22 12
    $ 4,892.29 13
    $ 122,307.25 Grand Total
    All soils report if required are by Owner
    Modifications for existing gate to swing away from pool area with spring
    All gates by owner unless noted in proposal.
    Day of Pool equipment set
    Repair of any existing drainage or irrigation damaged due to excavation or construction of
    new pool is not included in this proposal.
    If required, upgrade of existing electrical panel is not included in this proposal.
    Door alarms per city codes at all exterior doors leading to pool area are by owner. Door
    alarms may not have a on/off switch
    Day of Pool Plaster- Must be paid day of or
    All stone and tile allowance to include material cost, tax, shipping and delivery costs
    BBQ equipment, pots, pre-fab waterfeatures, and furniture are all by owner unless noted
    differently in proposal
    All Pots to be provided by owner with proper hole diameter for plumbing. If Dreamscapes has
    to drill the pots owner understands that no warranty can be given on pot and that cracking
    can occur.
    Garage man door to have spring & self closing latch @ 54" high by owner
    Upon delivery of pavers
    50% Completion of block structures
    All tile to have a $5.00 per s.f. allowance
    All stone paving is non- tumbled unless stated in proposal as tumbled. Tumbled to cost an
    additional $2.00 per s.f. for random stone paving
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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    I'll take a crack at this -

    That is a quite a list of work! I like that they itemized each portion, that's a nice help.

    "Blue text are options that are not included in proposal total". I'm not seeing what parts are optional (aka it's all black text for me) - would be nice to see what parts are "optional" so the experts who are more savvy than myself can weigh in.

    A few things - this is obviously a LARGE job - the PB will make a decent cut overseeing a project of this size. That being said, if you're looking to see where you can save some $ - I would research the equipment listed in this bid and ask the PB to price match. They surely have enough markup in other areas to at least give you a good deal on the hard materials. Examples:

    1. There is no way items listed under "4. Pool plumbing with Hayward equipment" cost $5,850.
    Hayward 400k BTU Heater: Price $1,850
    http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=C...-p/H400FDP.htm
    Hayward EcoStar Variable Speed Pool Pump: Price $870
    http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...FRWVfgodBAoA3g
    Hayward 60sq ft DE Filter: Price $650
    http://www.poolsupplyworld.com/Haywa...FUqVfgodqFYA-Q
    Hayward Crystalogic White LED Pool Light (Colorlogic are their color LED series): Price $323
    http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/H...FUZbfgodLmgAsw
    Hayward Crystalogic White LED Spa Light: Price $323
    http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/h...11050/140886p1

    That gives us a running total of $4,016 to which they are quoting $5,850. That is a 46% markup, which I believe to be far too much (especially when considering this is what the general public can buy these items for, SHIPPED - not even what they get the equipment for with their better pricing from the manufacturer).

    They list the LED color light upgrade at $350/light for a $700 total. I think the LED color lights are well worth the upgrade over the white LED - however, not at $700! You can buy both Colorlogic LED lights (1 pool, 1 spa) for $885 total - which is obviously far less then a "$700 UPGRADE over the already overpriced white LED lights".
    Pool $500: http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...FRRsfgodOHcACA
    Spa $385: http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...0535sled50.htm

    2. I noticed the line items for the "additional pool pumps" for the water features and optional extra jets. That's fair enough, many people have extra pumps for those features. However, it looks like they are quoting you prices to add variable speed pumps, which are much pricier. It seems like most people use single speed or two speed pumps for the features that you likely won't use NEAR as much as your main pool pump. You might even be able to get away with one "2 speed" pump to handle all the accessories. That would save around $1,500 over the "2 additional" pumps they are listing, which as mentioned, are likely variable speed Ecostars.

    3. Small things - like extra jets, seem to be a little overpriced. I think adding more jets is an option you should definitely consider, but $100/jet is a VERY steep price! I had 2 extra jets added for $25/piece. Just standard jets, which looks like your PB is quoting.


    I understand that in the grand scheme of a $120k+ project, a few bucks in jets or pool equipment is a small aspect. My point is, if they are charging a high premium for small items like this, what else are they marking up largely?? Those small extra markups turn into a LOT of money when you're talking about a project of this size.
    I hope my input doesn't dissuade anything you were planning. I read this list and just imagined how awesome this work would make ANY yard. I am, by no means, an expert like some people on this forum. However, I figured I would throw what I do know into the equation - and that is you're paying significantly more for the equipment listed in this bid. It doesn't stop at the items I went over, the automation, salt water system, etc, are all priced higher than what you can purchase them for yourself. In a project of this magnitude, I personally would be asking the PB to at least give me a good deal on the hard parts, and make their percentage from the labor and overseeing of sub contractors.

    Best of luck, and if you do start this, I hope you post many pictures!
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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz400 View Post
    I'll take a crack at this -

    That is a quite a list of work! I like that they itemized each portion, that's a nice help.

    "Blue text are options that are not included in proposal total". I'm not seeing what parts are optional (aka it's all black text for me) - would be nice to see what parts are "optional" so the experts who are more savvy than myself can weigh in.

    A few things - this is obviously a LARGE job - the PB will make a decent cut overseeing a project of this size. That being said, if you're looking to see where you can save some $ - I would research the equipment listed in this bid and ask the PB to price match. They surely have enough markup in other areas to at least give you a good deal on the hard materials. Examples:

    1. There is no way items listed under "4. Pool plumbing with Hayward equipment" cost $5,850.
    Hayward 400k BTU Heater: Price $1,850
    http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=C...-p/H400FDP.htm
    Hayward EcoStar Variable Speed Pool Pump: Price $870
    http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...FRWVfgodBAoA3g
    Hayward 60sq ft DE Filter: Price $650
    http://www.poolsupplyworld.com/Haywa...FUqVfgodqFYA-Q
    Hayward Crystalogic White LED Pool Light (Colorlogic are their color LED series): Price $323
    http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/H...FUZbfgodLmgAsw
    Hayward Crystalogic White LED Spa Light: Price $323
    http://www.poolsupplyunlimited.com/h...11050/140886p1

    That gives us a running total of $4,016 to which they are quoting $5,850. That is a 46% markup, which I believe to be far too much (especially when considering this is what the general public can buy these items for, SHIPPED - not even what they get the equipment for with their better pricing from the manufacturer).

    They list the LED color light upgrade at $350/light for a $700 total. I think the LED color lights are well worth the upgrade over the white LED - however, not at $700! You can buy both Colorlogic LED lights (1 pool, 1 spa) for $885 total - which is obviously far less then a "$700 UPGRADE over the already overpriced white LED lights".
    Pool $500: http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...FRRsfgodOHcACA
    Spa $385: http://www.poolsupply4less.com/Haywa...0535sled50.htm

    2. I noticed the line items for the "additional pool pumps" for the water features and optional extra jets. That's fair enough, many people have extra pumps for those features. However, it looks like they are quoting you prices to add variable speed pumps, which are much pricier. It seems like most people use single speed or two speed pumps for the features that you likely won't use NEAR as much as your main pool pump. You might even be able to get away with one "2 speed" pump to handle all the accessories. That would save around $1,500 over the "2 additional" pumps they are listing, which as mentioned, are likely variable speed Ecostars.

    3. Small things - like extra jets, seem to be a little overpriced. I think adding more jets is an option you should definitely consider, but $100/jet is a VERY steep price! I had 2 extra jets added for $25/piece. Just standard jets, which looks like your PB is quoting.


    I understand that in the grand scheme of a $120k+ project, a few bucks in jets or pool equipment is a small aspect. My point is, if they are charging a high premium for small items like this, what else are they marking up largely?? Those small extra markups turn into a LOT of money when you're talking about a project of this size.
    I hope my input doesn't dissuade anything you were planning. I read this list and just imagined how awesome this work would make ANY yard. I am, by no means, an expert like some people on this forum. However, I figured I would throw what I do know into the equation - and that is you're paying significantly more for the equipment listed in this bid. It doesn't stop at the items I went over, the automation, salt water system, etc, are all priced higher than what you can purchase them for yourself. In a project of this magnitude, I personally would be asking the PB to at least give me a good deal on the hard parts, and make their percentage from the labor and overseeing of sub contractors.

    Best of luck, and if you do start this, I hope you post many pictures!

    Nice post, Bulldogz.

    To OP- It is a huge project- but excited for you! I checked out the gate link and those are beautiful. I'm inspired.

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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    They itemized all the items so they could overcharge you! IMO, that is very expensive, even though it is a big project.

    $15 / SF for travertine? Should be under 10.
    $1,380 to demo backyard sod? Lol, should be free.
    Testing of soils? Should be included in that $31k for the pool.
    Cleanup of shotcrete? Again, should be included in $31k for pool.
    They are charging you $36k for just the shell of the pool and spa. It looks like all other electrical and plumbing is an extra line item.
    Irrigation is about double per zone what is should be.

    All in all, this should be under $100k. I agree with Bulldogz, they are overcharging you by small margins here and there, and double charging you for some things...but it all adds up.
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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Needsdecaf View Post
    They itemized all the items so they could overcharge you! IMO, that is very expensive, even though it is a big project.

    $15 / SF for travertine? Should be under 10.
    $1,380 to demo backyard sod? Lol, should be free.
    Testing of soils? Should be included in that $31k for the pool.
    Cleanup of shotcrete? Again, should be included in $31k for pool.
    They are charging you $36k for just the shell of the pool and spa. It looks like all other electrical and plumbing is an extra line item.
    Irrigation is about double per zone what is should be.

    All in all, this should be under $100k. I agree with Bulldogz, they are overcharging you by small margins here and there, and double charging you for some things...but it all adds up.


    Thanks for the advice guys! So it seems I'm getting screwed on a lot of things. I was about to sign the contract but now I think I'll get some more bids. I really liked this company and willing to pay a bit more for quality work but don't want to get screwed over. Anybody happen to know a good pool builder in Orange County, CA?

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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    Quote Originally Posted by socalmd123 View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys! So it seems I'm getting screwed on a lot of things. I was about to sign the contract but now I think I'll get some more bids. I really liked this company and willing to pay a bit more for quality work but don't want to get screwed over. Anybody happen to know a good pool builder in Orange County, CA?
    That sounds like a good plan.

    If this is truly the PB you feel most comfortable with, I wouldn't be afraid to have a consultation and present them with your OWN research on the line items they quoted. Meaning - maybe have a sit down to go over specific prices you found on your own accord to reference against the prices they are quoting you.

    It's sad to say, but remember that many contractors will throw a price out and hope that the customer agrees without negotiation. If you show them you are wise to the going rates of the items they are listing, they are likely to negotiate!
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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    You should always get at least 3 bids for the same job. Although it is often hard to compare them since all will be slightly different.
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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    I have to say that the bottom line on that made my heart jump a little. I paid that much for my second house!

    I would definitely get 2 more bids. Anything like this should have multiple bids. Keeps everyone honest (mostly).

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    Re: need opinions on this pool bid.

    Pool builders are a little slow and most are not even commanding the higher prices they were a few years ago. Get at least 2 other bids and/or talk to them if you really feel strongly about using them.
    Ultimately go with your instinct, not the "best" or the "cheapest" either but someone you are comfortable seeing for a few months. The last thing you want to do is deal with people you can't stand knowing they are overcharging you. Ever see the money pit? Lol
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
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