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    new equipment checklist

    ok, as we are nearing reality with the pool being brought back to life I feel it is time to get some real feedback on the equipment we are considering. it is not going to be cheap by any stretch of the imagination so we want to do it right the first time. some of you have offered ideas and opinions before so bear with me please as I go over this again. we are in the neighborhood of $7k with all this stuff so if anything is ridiculous or unneeded or just not worth it, now is the time to voice your opinion.
    we have roughly a 20k gallon pool and will be adding a 7' or maybe even 8' round spa 18" raised with spillover.
    equipment choices up for debate-
    Pentair 011018 IntelliFlo 3HP Variable Speed Ultra Energy-Efficient Pool Pump, 230V
    Pentair Clean and Clear Plus CCP520 Cartridge 520 sq. ft. In Ground Pool Filter
    Pentair 520543 EasyTouch 4 Function Control Pool/Spa Combo with IC40
    Pentair 522104 ScreenLogic Interface and Wireless Connection Kit Bundle
    Pentair 640131 IntelliBrite 5g Color Spa Light with 50' Cord, 12V
    Pentair 601010 IntelliBrite 5g Color LED 12V, 30W, 30' Cord with Stainless Steel Face Ring Pool Light
    Raypak 009243 Digital Low NOx Natural Gas 399,000 BTU Pool Heater
    probably 3 return lines in pool, one in spa. 8 jets in spa (don't know which kind)
    split main drain and one skimmer (undetermined)
    maybe some some jandy valves? (don't really know yet)
    OG white plaster
    basic light blue 6 x 6 tiles (similar to what we have now)
    some white safety grip porous coping (same style as now)
    basic old cement decking. nothing fancy here.
    mellow style, bombastic functionality.(hopefully)
    in other words, we are more interested in whats under the hood than the paint job.
    what do you think?
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    I don't see the most important part, your TF-100 test kit, make sure you have one before the pool gets filled!

    The equipment sounds good to me, make sure you use the Jandy never lube valves and stay away from all ball valves.

    Make sure the plumbing and pump can handle 8 jets in the spa, you don't want to have to add a booster pump later on if the jets are too weak.
    16k gal plaster with raised spa, Jandy DEV60 filter, 2 HP 2-speed SHPF Jandy Stealth pump
    Hayward Aqua Rite T-15 SWCG, Jandy LXi 400k BTU NG heater, 350 sq.ft. of Sun Star solar panels, TF-100 Test Kit, Dolphin s300i Cleaner
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    Re: new equipment checklist

    Thanks ping. Of course a test kit. How silly of me to forget to add it to the list.
    The pump is 3hp so I think it would be sufficient. How many jets do you run in your spa?
    I see you are also in long beach. Did you build your pool or buy with house?
    Are the solar panels worth the investment? Does your pool stay warm without heating?
    Thanks for the input.
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    We have 5 jets and our pump is rated 2 HP with a service factor of 1.3 to give 2.6 HP and our jets are just right for my liking.

    We had our pool built almost 4 years ago.

    My wife uses the pool for teaching and the solar panels are a must for us especially in the early spring and fall months. Right now without using a cover the pool usually starts out at 82-83 degrees and ends the day around 86 degrees. I have the solar dialed back so the pool doesn't get too warm, with these temps the solar only runs for an hour or so a day. This year we had the pool at 80 degrees in late February but you need a cover along with the solar to reach that temp, and don't forget, we had a warm winter.
    16k gal plaster with raised spa, Jandy DEV60 filter, 2 HP 2-speed SHPF Jandy Stealth pump
    Hayward Aqua Rite T-15 SWCG, Jandy LXi 400k BTU NG heater, 350 sq.ft. of Sun Star solar panels, TF-100 Test Kit, Dolphin s300i Cleaner
    Test Kits . Pool Math . Chlorine/CYA Chart . The SLAM Process

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    Thanks again ping.
    How big is your spa? Do you use the 400k heater just for that?
    Do you remember who built your pool and were you happy with them?
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    The spa is 7' diameter and 95% of 400k heater is used for the spa. In the early and late season we might use the heater to bump up the water temp if needed. Check PM for my comments on my builder.
    16k gal plaster with raised spa, Jandy DEV60 filter, 2 HP 2-speed SHPF Jandy Stealth pump
    Hayward Aqua Rite T-15 SWCG, Jandy LXi 400k BTU NG heater, 350 sq.ft. of Sun Star solar panels, TF-100 Test Kit, Dolphin s300i Cleaner
    Test Kits . Pool Math . Chlorine/CYA Chart . The SLAM Process

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    So, in your opinion/ situation, the solar panels are worth the extra expense vs using the heater on the pool? I would like to use our pool as much as possible all year long. I have 3 kids 5-10.
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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    I'm positive that the solar panels have already paid for themselves in the amount of gas that we would have used without the solar panels. With a cover and the panels we usually have the water in the 80's from late March through the end of November. After September the pool doesn't get used as much because the weather is not that warm, but this year might be different as the wife is thinking of extending the lessons into winter as a lot of her clients want year round lessons. Two of my kids play polo and they are in other pools 5-7 days a week and don't use our pool that much.
    16k gal plaster with raised spa, Jandy DEV60 filter, 2 HP 2-speed SHPF Jandy Stealth pump
    Hayward Aqua Rite T-15 SWCG, Jandy LXi 400k BTU NG heater, 350 sq.ft. of Sun Star solar panels, TF-100 Test Kit, Dolphin s300i Cleaner
    Test Kits . Pool Math . Chlorine/CYA Chart . The SLAM Process

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    Re: new equipment checklist

    Good to know.
    Thanks
    Last edited by dumbcluck; 07-09-2014 at 06:25 PM. Reason: Tmi
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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    I have all Pentair equipment. EasyTouch/SmartTouch is great.

    I have the Pentair variable speed IntelliFlow rated at 3HP and I drive a 17k gallon IG pool with attached Spa (5 jets) and spillway. Plenty of juice from that pump as I mostly run it on low speed (2500 rpm ~ 1kW power usage).

    I have a Pentair gas heater (400k BTU/hr) and it works great. I can't say much about solar, neighbors have them, but gas is cheap where we are so I prefer the simplicity of a gas heater.

    Have you considered a SWG chlorination system? You pay for it in upfront cost but it mostly frees you from being a jug dumper with liquid chlorine.

    Oh, and I'm sure this is just personal preference, but DE filters are the best in my opinion in terms of water clarity. I guess you have to fit your budget, but I went with DE and I can say that, compared to my neighbors sand filter, my pool looks much better than his....but he also wastes $1500 a year on a pool service guy too



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    Re: new equipment checklist

    Thanks sunny. Yeah I have an ic40 on my list above. Comes with easy touch pool/spa combo. I'm thinking that a cartridge filter would just be a lot easier to clean than de which was my first thought.
    I also understand raypak heaters are a little better quality and quieter than the master temp. Haven't checked them out firsthand though. (Or any of this stuff actually)
    How do you like the kreepy krawly? I am sort of looking into what kind of cleaning method I will use now. I don't want to hire any body to clean the pool and I'll do what I can but I do like being lazy and swimming more than cleaning...
    -Jimbo- My pool was full of dirt and trees. Now it's full of water and children!
    20k gallon inground pool, 18" raised spa 7' round, 8 jets, 3" spa plumbing. Pentair intelliflo 3hp vsp, Easy touch 4 w/ ic 40, CCP 420 cartridge filter, Raypak 407a w/ cupro nickel, Screen logic 2, Pentair intelliph, spa side remote, Pentair 5g color lights pool and spa, TF-100 test kit with speed stir and Dolphin Oasis Z5

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