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    Posts not vertical

    We just installed an Intex above ground pool, 22' x 52" round. Now that it is full of water, the posts are not straight up and down vertically, but lean in as shown on photograph. We had 3 rambunctious young men playing in the pool and making lots of water movement. I could see the frame moving. Is this dangerous or okay?
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    Re: Posts not vertical

    I hate to say it... but that does not look good. Especially the one post leaning and pushing against the wood? Yikes!
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    The rope along the bottom has untied or broken, not good. It is there specifically for that reason you have experienced, to keep the legs from pushing out. The newer models of the pool have that feature, older one do not.
    Going to need to find a way to pull those legs back in, and put the rope back into place. You may have to drain it.

    For an 18' pool, you would need 60' of rope or a strap. One idea you may try is a "ratchet" strap, personally I would get a 2" wide one for the extra strength. Any trailer place, big box hardware store sells them. Menards, Fleet Farm, Home Depot, Loews, or semi trailer parts outlet.
    The longest you can get is only about 30' at best, most are only around 16-20', so you need to get enough to do 60' feet.
    May seem like over kill, but you need to suck those legs back in and hold them in place.

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    It did not come with a rope, just the white band around the middle that has the little holders in which the legs went. How urgent is it to drain and straighten the legs? Is it dangerous or what?
    Home pool: Intex 11,400 gallon AG vinyl pool with sand filter & SWG. Taylor K-2006 test kit - coastal Georgia. I'm also in charge of the Elk's Lodge Pool, which is 55,000 gallons in-ground concrete with sand filter, 2 HP Hayward pump, currently using tri-chlor pucks and cal-hypo system.

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    Older models did not have the rope. I would urge you to at least buy a good rope and cinch the bottom of the legs as tight as you can so as to not let them move any more for now, for at least until you can fix them.

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    Re: Posts not vertical

    What does the side opposite this one look like? I'm wondering if your pool is not centered.

    Also, if you try the ratchet trick... don't try to pull the legs back underneath with the ratchet. You could bend them putting that kind of force on them which WOULD lead to catastrophic failure. Just get the ratchets tight enough to keep them in place.
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    He said the pool didn't come with a rope. He's not the first guy I've heard say that about a new Intex. All I can say is that the Intex I had 7 years ago had the rope.
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    Re: Posts not vertical

    My Intex is 3 years old now. Not only do I have the rope on the bottom, but my strap around the middle isn't anything like that. I think my legs are through the strap, not in a sleeve connected to the strap. I could be wrong though.

    I'm in my 3rd summer now. One side, about 3 legs, are splayed out but only slightly. Nothing like those pictures. I leveled everything and if I recall 3 years ago, I had another inch just in that small section to take out yet when we got rain. Then the pool was delivered, the weather cleared, and I forgot about leveling another inch in that section and laid the foam and put my pool up. It hasn't been a problem at all but again, is no where near what those legs you show are.

    My water level is exactly 1 inch different at this section of 3 legs.
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    MAC.DBLUES: I have not counted the number of legs that are not perpendicular to the ground. Off the top of my head, I'd guess maybe 10% of them, spread pretty evenly around all sides of the pool. When filled, one side was about 2.5 inches higher than the other side, so I simply took a spade and scooped some dirt/sand out from under the legs on the high side, so now it's only 1 inch off level. Making that change did not affect the angle at which any of those legs stood. The ones that are splayed were probably splayed when I started to add water. I just didn't notice them being splayed.

    I don't know physics too well, but on one hand I can see how having legs splayed would be a good thing in that it pushes the circular metal frame inwards. On the other hand, I can see how having vertical legs perpendicular to the ground would provide support to the side of the liner, which seems to be the point of the white band around it.

    I'd hate to think of the damage that 48 tons (11 foot radius squared x 3.14 x 4 foot depth x 7.48 gallons x 8.345 pounds divided by 2000) of rapidly moving water would cause to my house and fence if it were to fail catastrophically.

    I called Intex customer support, but the foreigner I got on the phone spoke English so poorly that she failed to understand what I was describing, no matter how many different ways I described it.
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    My straps were nothing like his either. Mine legs were placed behind the strap, and not in a sleeve. The sleeve design looks a lot more secure. I would like to know if anyone with the same strap design as the OP has the rope.
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    Re: Posts not vertical

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince-1961 View Post
    MAC.DBLUES: When filled, one side was about 2.5 inches higher than the other side, so I simply took a spade and scooped some dirt/sand out from under the legs on the high side, so now it's only 1 inch off level.
    This is your problem. You lowered your legs but didn't lower the bottom of the pool. Because of this, the liner isn't hanging on the frame properly because the frame is closer to the ground than it was designed to be. That is why the sides are bulging out and pushing the legs out. Technically, your pool is still 2.5" out of level, even though the frame is level. The ONLY way you are going to solve your problem is to drain, disassemble, level the ground under the whole pool, reassemble and refill. Intex makes everyone think you can just eyeball level and throw their pools up. But they are careful to say to select a level area (not select the "closest" to level area) in your yard.
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    Re: Posts not vertical

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatCanadian View Post
    My straps were nothing like his either. Mine legs were placed behind the strap, and not in a sleeve. The sleeve design looks a lot more secure. I would like to know if anyone with the same strap design as the OP has the rope.
    Our pool has the sleeve for the legs and a rope at the bottom. The pool was purchased this year, but I think it was actually manufactured last year. The white strap that goes around the pool is situated about a foot higher than the pool in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatCanadian View Post
    My straps were nothing like his either. Mine legs were placed behind the strap, and not in a sleeve. The sleeve design looks a lot more secure. I would like to know if anyone with the same strap design as the OP has the rope.
    Pretty sure the 20' Ultra we bought and used for two seasons (last season and the year before) had sleeves like this and no rope. We install on level cement and never had an issue.
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    My Summer Escapes has no rope. Legs go behind the strap that is around the center.
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    We bought ours last summer and it has the rope and sleeve.

    Would agree that the center is off though.

    The directions make it sound so easy and setup in an hour!!!....haha. I invested waaaaay more time and money than I would have imagined in setting up my pool correctly. Of which I am obviously glad that I did.
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    Re: Posts not vertical

    Just a note that the sleeve the leg goes through was on the outside of the white band as shown in the pics. I spun each one around so the leg would go through the sleeve AND behind the white band. I imagine that has a big effect on the legs pushing out.

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    Re: Posts not vertical

    Our 22' Ultra frame is set up like this with no rope bought this June
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    I drained the pool last night. Now I will attempt to "mini-level" the ground by lifting one side at a time. If that doesn't work, then it's complete disassembly and moving it off to the side (major P.I.T.A.). Wife REALLY wants this up and running for July 4. Hmmm.
    Home pool: Intex 11,400 gallon AG vinyl pool with sand filter & SWG. Taylor K-2006 test kit - coastal Georgia. I'm also in charge of the Elk's Lodge Pool, which is 55,000 gallons in-ground concrete with sand filter, 2 HP Hayward pump, currently using tri-chlor pucks and cal-hypo system.

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    Tomorrow's the 4th!!! I hope you're up and at it! and by the time stamp on your post it looks like you are!

    Are you guys feeling the effects of now HURRICANE Aurthur?
    Installed May 2014 - 16' x 48" Summer Escapes Pro Series Pool AG Vinyl (6,000 gal) - Intex 2650 Sand Filter - Christmas, FL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldog View Post
    Are you guys feeling the effects of now HURRICANE Aurthur?
    No.

    Am refilling now.

    The bottom of the pool is now a bit "lumpy", as all I did was lift up the high side temporarily so I could get under it and shovel sand/dirt out. Also dug out room for some pavers on the low side and put them under the legs. I get the nagging suspicion all I've done is make it worse, but we'll see how the water settles in.
    Home pool: Intex 11,400 gallon AG vinyl pool with sand filter & SWG. Taylor K-2006 test kit - coastal Georgia. I'm also in charge of the Elk's Lodge Pool, which is 55,000 gallons in-ground concrete with sand filter, 2 HP Hayward pump, currently using tri-chlor pucks and cal-hypo system.

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