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    Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    I hope we can get some help. Just completed our beautiful new pool build, filled with water as of yesterday, and we cannot get pump to prime. We've followed instructions to the T and have repeated the process countless times. We've read every thread on here I could find. Can't find any air leaks. O-rings are fine. There is Teflon tape & dope on the threaded connectors attached to the pump. Could that be an issue? We're just sick about this and hoping there's not an air leak under ground or even worse, under the concrete deck. All plumbing was pressure tested before we backfilled. Here's a photo of the pad.



    Is it time to call in the professionals? I'm worried what's happening to water chemistry while we try to get this figured out. DH has to leave for a week in a couple of days.

    Thanks for any advice we can get.

    Jan
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    If this is a new pool build, what does your PB say?
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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Have you tried priming when all but one of the suction lines is closed off at their individual valves? You should try all three suction lines one line at a time.

    How far above the water level is the pump?

    And just to double check the obvious: do you fill the pump strainer basket with water each time you try to prime the pump?

    Generally it is best to use only paste to seal the larger threaded connections, but I have seen it down every possible way and still work.
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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Dave - This is a DYI project. Hired excavation, electrical, pool bottom & liner installation. DH did all the plumbing. Jason - Yes we've isolated the suction lines and tried each one separately. The pump may actually be at or slightly below water level. DH just realized he didn't seal the drain plugs in the pump.. could that be the issue?
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    All of the Jandy valves are closed.

    Also, which filter do you have? I think that the line from the pump should go to the top port on the filter, not the bottom.

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    This was a photo taken a few days ago. Just wanted to show the equipment and layout in the event a photo may help.
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Maybe a missing O-ring on the union going into the pump?

    Possibly the drain plugs. Were they installed?

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Filter is Pentair Clean & Clear Plus 420. Line from pump does go into top port. Here's another photo.
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Is the check-valve after the heater pointing the correct way?

    Are the skimmers plugged or otherwise obstructed?

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Skimmers definitely aren't plugged or obstructed. Will make sure check valve is installed correctly tomorrow. Thank you James
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    A few other things to check:

    Does the filter pressure go up when the pump is turned on?

    Does air come out of the filter air relief if it is opened?

    Is the pump basket in correctly and fully seated?

    Are the skimmer weirs sticking closed?

    Is the pump wired correctly?

    Are all of the valves open?

    Are you starting the pump on high or low speed?

    Can you give a better description of what happens when you turn on the pump?

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    We have prime!!!!!! The culprit was the pipe going directly into front of the pump!! OH what a AWESOME feeling.. to see water coming out of the returns!!! Once that section was removed and replaced, she primed within seconds. Pressure gauge on filter shows 15 psi.

    Now we can add salt and get this water balanced!

    Thanks so much for all the help! Can't image life without this site

    Jan
    Coming in Spring 2014: Semi DIY 18'x36' rectangular 2' radius ig steel wall vinyl; 3.5'-8'; NO main drain, 2 skimmers, dedicated cleaner line, 5 returns (2 surface, 1 low in deep end, 2 in steps,); 1hp Pentair Whisperflo 2-speed pump; Pentair Clean & Clear 420 cartridge filter; Intellichlor IC40 swg; Raypak Digital NG 399K Heater; (2) Pentair Intellibrite LEDs, 2 wheel Poolvergvegen ; S.R. Smith Salt System diving board

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    Re: Brand New Pool, Whisperflo Pump WILL NOT PRIME

    Great job! And really nice looking setup by the way especially for DIY - very clean! I like how all the valves are lined up perfectly...
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