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    Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Good morning everyone, when swimming this past saturday I went to turn on the pool pump to get the water circulating and received quite a jolt from it. I've never had this before.....and I believe I may have touched one of the wires behind the timer itself...anyone else ever experience this and is there some kind of cover i can put over the wires to keep anyone else from doing the same thing when they turn it on while i'm not there.....thanks for any help....

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    What kind of timer do you have? Most of them come with a shield of some kind that protects you from the live wires.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion View Post
    What kind of timer do you have? Most of them come with a shield of some kind that protects you from the live wires.
    haha well jason it looks just like this timer in a thread that you first responded too three years ago

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...ed-Pumps/page2

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    The common cover for those were a piece of thin cardboard. Thin plastics may have replaced that now. There is a mounting hole for the cover to be attached to, in the middle of t wire block itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clg82 View Post
    haha well jason it looks just like this timer in a thread that you first responded too three years ago

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    The timer in the picture is missing the safety shield that covers the terminals and wires. Here's what one looks like with the shield in place.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    any place to buy the cover to replace it for safety reasons or do i need to buy a whole new timer?

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    I've never seen the covers for sale, but I'd get in touch with the company. Businesses will often give you safety devices to cover themselves.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
    I've never seen the covers for sale, but I'd get in touch with the company. Businesses will often give you safety devices to cover themselves.
    i guess I could try and contact them....any other suggestions?

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    I have a GE timer that brings the lever for the manual override outside the case which has some safety benefits. It might be a very simple swap. Got it from HD. If your interested, I can look up the part number.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    It is a thin piece of plastic ... you could likely cut the side out of an orange juice container (or similar), poke a hole in it and put a screw through it.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    They are available, I'd try some place like HomeDepot, Menards ..... Or cut one out of a plastic milk container. I warned someone about it and they did find a place recently to find one.

    They have a black one and clear. This is just an example to "see" what you're looking for. Not sure if this is the exact part number for your clock as you didn't post a model number but I think they are pretty generic as the design hasn't changed much in decades.
    http://www.epoolshop.com/intermatic_...ock_parts.aspx

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    thanks fellas for the suggestions....

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Do you have a GFI in the system and is it 240 or 120 volt ??

    If you don't have a GFI in the circuit I would really recommend it.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    I have no idea, but I can take a picture of the front panel on the switch if that would help you find out.....

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    The GFCI would not be in the switch/timer. It would be in the breaker box ... or maybe that is what you meant by switch.

    Given your responses, I am not sure how much electrical DIY you should be doing, it can be pretty dangerous.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    If you can safely take a picture of the circuit breakers in your breaker box and identify which one is the one for the pool pump we should be able to figure what voltage and if it's a GFI.

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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    This is not necessarily true. If you are shocked from power traveling from the hot to the neutral, the GFCI will not trip. It will only trip if the power is "lost" to ground.
    Since this appears to be a 220V only setup (look at the pictures in the original thread the OP referenced) it doesn't look like there is a neutral in the box.
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    Re: Shocked when turning on pool pump (literally)

    Good point. A 230V GFCI checks for voltage differences between each leg, not between the hot and neutral.
    So if you grabbed both LINE wires, you would get shock, but the GFCI may not trip. If you grabbed one LINE and the ground, then the GFCI should trip.

    I highly doubt there is a GFCI breaker in this case.

    In any case, it does not matter, this thread has taken a huge tangent, the OP has not said that the pump is not currently working, so there is no point in checking breakers etc, unless they want to upgrade to a GFCI breaker which might have prevented the jolt. They just need to add a cover to they can not touch anything.
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