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    Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Well, I guess it's time for me to stop hijacking Jimbo's thread and make my own.

    Here is what I started over in Jimbo's thread along with a couple pics:

    I guess I'm not the only crazy person in SoCal digging out a 1960's pool. I bought a house in November that has an old Blue Haven pool in the back yard. It was covered up with astroturf and looked like a putting green. I just got done digging it out this weekend and I'll be getting quotes for coping, tile, plaster, and deck work next week. It looks like my pool was not filled in "by permit" though because there are no holes and it looks in good shape other than some damage to the steps and coping. As far as I'm concerned by pool was just REALLY DIRTY and just needed to be cleaned and some remodeling done.

    Here are some pics:
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    I haven't made any physical progress on the pool but I do have a couple quotes and a few questions for the experts:

    Builder says he only uses Pentair equipment and he has a VS pump (need to get the HP) installed for $1,450. Does this sound reasonable?

    I want to reuse my pool light. If I can find the original cable and verify proper grounding can I throw in a new LED bulb and go from there?
    (I've been an electrician for twenty years so I understand grounding and GFCI's very well)

    What would a recommendation be for a good LED bulb that does all the color changes my wife wants?

    Builder wants to go with a 60 Sqft DE filter and says that this size is only $100 more (can't remember other size) and will cut down on maintenance. Cost was $975

    Also, the salt water set-up is $1250 upgrade. Is this worth it?

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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Subscribing... can't wait to see how it turns out.

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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    I assume you electrical costs are fairly high, but you have a basic pool with no water features etc that would require the use of the large VS pumps. You could buy a small 2-speed pump for half the cost of the VS pump. It may be many many years before a VS pump would save more in power over the 2-speed to offset the initial cost.

    Bigger the filter the better ... I would go with the 60sqft if you are going with DE.

    SWG are about added convenience. They will not likely save you any money in the long run. The Pentair SWGs have some limitations if you do not have their automation system as well (which you do not need).
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    Right on mike. I'm an electrician too. I plan to run all the lines myself if I can.
    Also, you should ask your pool builder if you can supply your own equipment. You can get it a lot cheaper on the internet but might need him to install for warranty reasons...
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    +1 on jblizzle's comments. 2-speed motor is all of the benefit of variable speed for 1/2 the cost and go big on the filter.

    If the builder can only get Pentair SWG, and won't install one you supply, you can hold off and install one yourself. It only took me an afternoon and I'm not an electrician (I'm an electrical engineer, which I am sure you know means that I am useless).
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Quote Originally Posted by mac.dblues View Post
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    If you had SDG&E I would say go VS. But since you don't and have a simple pool a 2 speed would be adequate. If you plan to add water features, a slide, fountains or solar then you should think about a VS.

    Order the Pentair and Jandy LED lights off the internet and see if they fit in your niche. I would probably stay with Pentair. If your PB purchase 3 or more Pentair products at a time then the warranty is usually extended. The prices you are being quoted are fair, but if you are buying a package he should cut the package price.

    How is the conduit from the light niche to the junction box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    I assume you electrical costs are fairly high, but you have a basic pool with no water features etc that would require the use of the large VS pumps. You could buy a small 2-speed pump for half the cost of the VS pump. It may be many many years before a VS pump would save more in power over the 2-speed to offset the initial cost.
    I thought about the cost but I really like the idea of a VS pump for a few reasons:

    I can adjust flow for future added water features
    I hate listening to my neighbors loud pool pump.
    Being in the power industry I like the reliability and long service life of a permanent magnet sealed motor(and the savings don't hurt).
    If I decide to add additional equipment this pump can be integrated pretty easily(I do DCS/PLC controls so I love to automate stuff).

    Having said all that,I'm waiting for the builder to get back with me on the size pump he is recommending before I make a final decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwegan View Post
    If you had SDG&E I would say go VS. But since you don't and have a simple pool a 2 speed would be adequate. If you plan to add water features, a slide, fountains or solar then you should think about a VS.

    Order the Pentair and Jandy LED lights off the internet and see if they fit in your niche. I would probably stay with Pentair. If your PB purchase 3 or more Pentair products at a time then the warranty is usually extended. The prices you are being quoted are fair, but if you are buying a package he should cut the package price.

    How is the conduit from the light niche to the junction box?
    I don't know yet because I have been working around the clock on a project at work and won't have time to open everything up until probably the end of the month. Worst case I'll dig up the conduit and replace whatever I need to.

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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Pentair only really has 2 VS pump sizes. A big 3HP and a small 1.5hp Superflo that has limited functionality. Forget the VF or i1.
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    Pentair only really has 2 VS pump sizes. A big 3HP and a small 1.5hp Superflo that has limited functionality. Forget the VF or i1.
    PB is saying he only uses the Pentair VS plus. He oversizes the filter and the pump for future water features. Since I am looking at a solar heater set-up in the future it seems like a little bit less overkill.

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    Awesome!
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Any new pics
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    In for the fun! Can't wait to see and hear all about this one!

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    The prices seem a little high - but maybe you can negotiate on the installation costs? For reference, the Pentair Intelliflo (which I assume he is referencing) can be bought for about $840, shipped, which means installation would be costing you a touch over $600.

    http://www.backyardpoolsuperstore.co...FQqFfgod10MAWg

    Does the salt water upgrade (and I don't know which system he is going with) price include installation? If he is sticking with all Pentair products, it's likely he will be going with either an IC20 or IC40. From what I've gathered on this forum, most people recommend the IC40 setup. They will need to be paired up with a power center, the combo can be found here for $745 shipped:

    IC40:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pentair-Inte...item3a79abb20b

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    I understand the contractor has to make a living, and don't want to undercut him, but maybe you can have him price match a few things and then work out labor rates from there. I would also speak with him about the warranty of the parts. Pentair offers a 3 year warranty on new parts IF you have 3 of their products being installed. Pump, filter, and one other product. I would firm that up with your contractor to make sure you qualify.

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    looks great good luck
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Hey mike, according to the last guy here that company built lots of pools and not all of them well. Just threw them in. You may also want to check for any rust marks indicating a low level of gunite above the rebar which will cause discoloration of plaster down the road at least. Just a heads up while you still have a chance to repair if necessary.

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    What I heard was that their older pools weren't bad but that the quality went downhill as the company got real big. The only rust spot I have is where there was a big gouge that went into the gunite a little ways. I am actually doing a walk through with a builder tomorrow night to figure out the tile pattern and equipment location. I was in Houston for two weeks and just got back late Friday so I haven't made any progress except negotiating with builders. I did start trenching this weekend for the electrical. This is one part that I am doing myself. I am going to add a bigger than needed sub panel for some additional power at the equipment pad. It's been a long time since I was an apprentice and had to dig trenches. I forgot how much it sucks!!!

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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    Just breezed through this thread quick.
    I did my own electrical on my pool. We went with a Haywood
    Pro-logic panel with the salt cell. Panel with cell was around $1100 online.
    The panel can also control heaters, valves (solar), lighting, etc.
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    100 amps should be good. Just make sure you get everything bonded. ( pool shell rebar, any in the decking and basically anything metal near the pool) and of course all equipment grounded as well.
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    Re: Just another 60's???? pool resurection

    We finally got started on the rebuild this week. The PB got the tile, plaster, some coping, and some of the decking removed this week. He also plans to get the plumbing done this week and should be doing tile, plaster and setting the equipment next week.

    Here are a few quick pics:




    My pool was full of dirt, astro-turf, fish, and a putting green.

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