Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 19 of 19

Thread: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I've had it with tri-chlor. After fully draining my pool about 4 years ago and acid washing the CYA levels are out of control high and I can't keep the FC levels high enough to sanitize--or be safe for swimming. All the cal-hypo shocking has raised the Calcium to over 1000ppm in that time as well. I have a company coming in about two weeks to perform a reverse osmosis process on the pool. It's pricy ($675 for 26.5k gallons) but in Dallas water isn't terribly cheap and there's a host of other issues with draining (risk of floating, 75 feet to the nearest sewer connection (aside from the backwash), etc). Anyway, I've been eyeing the Liquidator for years but have never made the plunge. We're going to be selling this house in about a +/-1yr and I'm not sure I want to make the investment in converting to a SWG; that being said, I'm not sure about the operational costs of a sodium hypo pool? Any thoughts for a ~26k gal pool? Liquid chlorination isn't popular in Dallas--I don't know anyone personally that uses it and the pool store(s) are totally confused...I may end up having to buy bleach at the super, as I've never seen it in the pool stores.

    Anyway, I'm looking for some feedback on the TCO of liquid chlorination with the relatively low upfront costs compared to a SWG conversion. We have a LONG summer here in Dallas (like May-October), don't want to break the bank on liquid chlorine. On the off chance we're here for more than a year I don't want to stick with tri-chlor either.

    Thoughts?

  2. Back To Top    #2

    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    1,079

    Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Welcome to tfp! In addition to the liquidator you may want to look at a stenner pump and tank. Or if you aren't sure how long you will be in the house just dose manually every night.

    Any way you slice it get a good test kit to keep things in line. There is a link to the tf100 in my signature. That is what most of us here use (best value and all the tests you will need)

    You could do some calculations with poolmath (in the blue bar above) to figure out how much bleach you will use daily. Figure 2-3 ppm loss daily. Plug your targets in and it will tell you the dosages

    TFP Moderator Chris V. ~16K Pool & Spa, 48NSF DE, IG Plaster Circa 2000, Intermatic PE653, Challenger pump with a 2 speed B2984, 20gal stenner chlorine injection, Houston, TX
    One cannot follow Islam and Christianity at the same time, nor can one follow pool store methods and TFP at the same time.
    Pool School -- Pool Math -- TF-Test Kit

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I've read about doing a stenner pump and tank, but there's the added cost of an electrician for that, as I'm out on doing outdoor electrical--want to fail a home inspection quickly, have a pool company do your pool electrical. The Liquidator would be a DiY project for me.

    Sadly, I'm a little too lazy these days to dose the pool up every night with liquid so a more automated approach is definitely warranted. I've never fully used bleach for sanitizing--I have used it inconsistently for shocking. I was hoping someone could chime in with a similar size pool and region to get a feel for the true operational costs of using liquid for regular sanitizing.

    I definitely agree on a good test kit, currently using the K-2006 but when the reagents are out or too old I will certainly consider switching. I've been trolling these board for about 7 years, and just recently started posting--excellent site--learned more from here then my pool books!

  4. Back To Top    #4

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Missed your point about doing the calculations. Obvious and great idea. I will run the numbers with about 2PPM FC loss a day and see where that puts me. There's definitely variability with regard to the true strength of 6-8% Liquid bleach (pool store's don't carry liquid here so the 10+%'s a no-go) and who knows how long the bleach has been on the shelf at the market or what the storage conditions were. Anyway I will run them with 6-8% and see what the op cost would be. Thanks!

    Still if anyone in the same/similar region has an opinion about liquid chlorination with The Liquidator please chime in!


    Texas: 26.5k IG plaster pool with hot tub c1992, STA-RITE DES51-01B DE filter, The Liquidator, Polaris 3900 Sport w/Polaris booster, K-2006 test kit w/Lamotte Borates test strips

  5. Back To Top    #5

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Also, I forgot to ask anyone with a Liquidator...I can probably only situate it about 4-5 feet from the feeds into the equipment, does anyone know if the tubing that comes with it is sufficient for that distance--or if that might introduce a complication?


    Texas: 26.5k IG plaster pool with hot tub c1992, STA-RITE DES51-01B DE filter, The Liquidator, Polaris 3900 Sport w/Polaris booster, K-2006 test kit w/Lamotte Borates test strips

  6. Back To Top    #6

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Hello TXN et. al.
    I am switching from a SWCG. The main reason is due to the corrosion from the salt, and the fact that my cell needs to be replaced again. Liquidator was delivered yesterday and I will post more when I get to installing it. In the meantime I am adding around 1/2 gallon of store bought bleach/day. acid needs have always been low.

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    12

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TXNDallas View Post
    Also, I forgot to ask anyone with a Liquidator...I can probably only situate it about 4-5 feet from the feeds into the equipment, does anyone know if the tubing that comes with it is sufficient for that distance--or if that might introduce a complication?
    I think it comes with 10 feet of tubing. That wasn't enough for my install, so I bought more at Lowe's for a couple dollars. It hasn't been a problem. 1 Stop Pool Store in Plano sells liquid chlorine, but it's not cheap. I buy cases of Clorox at Costco.
    17K gallon IG Plaster. 48sqft Hayward DE filter. Stenner Pump

  8. Back To Top    #8

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Awesome! I figured it would be like that I picked up two cases at Costco yesterday in preparation. Thanks for the info!


    Texas: 26.5k IG plaster pool with hot tub c1992, STA-RITE DES51-01B DE filter, The Liquidator, Polaris 3900 Sport w/Polaris booster, K-2006 test kit w/Lamotte Borates test strips

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I'm on my third or fourth year with the liquidator. It's basically set it and forget it (minus filling of course). Our local hardware store has a sale each memorial day on chlorine (2.50 per gallon 10%,which is cheap in my area) I just buy for the year and store it in the garge,or should I just call it storage shed #3.Hasnt been a car in there in years!!
    21000 Gallons I/G,,Vinyl,, 1.5 H.P. Hayward Pump,, Hayward Sand Filter S244T.. Liquidator.

  10. Back To Top    #10

    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sacramento, CA
    Posts
    2,769

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Its very set and forget. Issues are variable speed pumps and larger pools.
    22k gallon IG pebblefina, Jandy 1.5 HP VS, Jandy CV Cartridge filter, Fafco solar panels, Polaris 360 supply side cleaner, waterfall

  11. Back To Top    #11
    arjaygee's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Orange, California
    Posts
    33

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Well, just an alternative viewpoint on the Liquidator to complicate your decision making a bit, I've had the Liquidator now for three seasons, and mine is far from set and forget. I'm constantly battling "white stuff" build-up, to the point where if I don't pull the floats, valves, and other parts, and wash them in diluted acid every 3 weeks, mine simply stops working. All that white stuff builds up, blocks the valves and causes the floats to freeze, and it's either stuck open or stuck closed -- neither case good. Last year, I added Boric Acid to my pool and that seemed to help but definitely didn't solve my problem. I'm on a mission this season to dump this thing and get a Stenner pump, and I couldn't be more excited about the change. Heck, I'll sell you my whole Liquidator setup cheap... but maybe mine is bad luck.

    So, here's a vote for going the Stenner route!
    Rick
    27K Gal. In-ground 20x36 Plaster (Custom Curved Shape)
    1 Hp WisperFlo Pump; Hayward AQR15 AquaRite SWG, Purex Triton 60 Sq Ft DE Filter (FNSP 60); Pentair MasterTemp Heater

  12. Back To Top    #12

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    San Rafael, CA USA
    Posts
    12,082

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Quote Originally Posted by TXNDallas View Post
    I'm not sure about the operational costs of a sodium hypo pool? Any thoughts for a ~26k gal pool? Liquid chlorination isn't popular in Dallas--I don't know anyone personally that uses it and the pool store(s) are totally confused...I may end up having to buy bleach at the super, as I've never seen it in the pool stores.
    Your pool is larger than the average in-ground pool but you can still figure roughly 2 ppm FC per day chlorine loss though it could be up to 3 ppm FC depending on your CYA and specific operating conditions. 2 ppm FC in 26,000 gallons is 77 fluid ounces of 8.25% bleach or 53 fluid ounces of 12.5% chlorinating liquid every day. Prices in Texas can be higher so at $5 per gallon for 12.5% guaranteed (may be up to 15%) this would be about $2 per day, but you could find chlorinating liquid or bleach that is not that expensive.

    As for getting chlorinating liquid in Texas, the Hasa locator indicates the following locations having Hasa chlorinating liquid (Hasa has two chlor-alkali facilities in Texas):

    Riviera Pools of Dallas
    4907 W. Lovers Lane
    Dallas, Texas 75209
    (214) 351-2071

    A-Quality Pool Service
    8001 Boulevard 26
    North Richland, TX
    (817) 281-0781

    Gohlke Pools
    909 Dallas Drive
    Denton, TX
    940) 384-7665

    Another source is the following near Houston where you bring your own carboy/drum to get it refilled:

    NAPCO Chemical
    2830 Spring Cypress Rd,
    Spring, Texas 77388
    (800) 929-5976

    Be sure to check stores such as Lowe's, Home Depot, Sam's, Walmart, Costco, Aldi, and K-Mart. Wherever you buy it, you need to be careful about it losing its strength if there isn't good turnover and it's higher in concentration.
    16,000 gallon outdoor in-ground 16'x32' plaster pool; Pentair Intelliflo VF pump; Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3s control system; Jandy CL-340 square foot cartridge filter
    12 Fafco solar panels; Purex Triton PowerMax 250 natural gas heater (200,000 BTU/hr output); automatic electric pool safety cover; 4-wheel pressure-side "The Pool Cleaner"

  13. Back To Top    #13

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I am pulling up a seat because I am interested in this as well. Living in North Dallas and agree liquid chlorination not very popular either. If you do would be interested in pics as well


    In ground, 15x27, 80 feet perimeter, 3'6 to 5 feet deep, 9,600 gallons, 2 skimmers, 6 returns, Jandy VSP, Jandy DE 60, Jandy LXI, Nature 2 Ozone, 2 pool LED lights, 1 Spa LED light pebble tech aqua blue. Frisco,
    Texas


    In Ground 15X27 80 ft perimeter; 3'6 to 5' depth; 9600 gallons; 2 skimmers; 6 returns; Jandy VSP; 2 pool LED lights; 1 spa pool light; pebble tech aqua blue, North Texas build complete April 2014

  14. Back To Top    #14

    TFP Guide

    laceygirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Canberra Australia
    Posts
    1,241

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I love my Stenner pump... Its really the coolest thing.. I bought a Stenner over a Liquidator because of the ridiculous postage costs I was going to be charged due to the size of the unit.....

    I really wanted a Liquidator too, but after reading a couple of threads about the white scaling problem, I was happy to go with a Stenner... One thing though, the Stenner requires power whereas the Liquidator doesn't......
    Intex Rectangle 18 x 9 x 52', 4544 gallon (18000 litres), 0.75 hp pool pump, 100 sqft Zodiac Titan Cartridge Filter - 40mm, Stenner Peristaltic Pump chlorine injection system, Intex Over The Wall Skimmer, Intex Fittings with 40mm plumbing Lil Patch Of Heaven. Build/Construction http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...lice-of-heaven

  15. Back To Top    #15

    TFP Guide
    PAGirl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Central PA
    Posts
    2,388

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Here in Pennsylvania I got my liquid chlorine at Walmart.
    26' X 52" Intex Ultra Frame. Intex Sand Filter
    26' X 52 Intex Ultra Frame Install
    You can lead a horse to (clear) water, but you can't force him to swim in it!

  16. Back To Top    #16

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I appreciate all the replies. I ordered The Liquidator last week and it's supposed to be here on Friday so I expect to get it setup this weekend. Scheduled to have reverse osmosis process done on the pool the following Monday. Plan to load up the pool with an initial load of chlorine--Cal Hypo source as the water will be low on calcium initially, and a minimum amount of stabilizer--I'm really torn on that one. On one hand it's necessary of course, on the other hand our plaster is really old and I'm not sure how much CYA might leach out of the plaster as the summer drags on. Last time seems like the stabilizer rose quickly but chlorine source was tricolor. Anyone have a feel for how much old plaster will leach CYA and what a good initial load of stabilizer would be if that's a concern? Anyway after I get *some* stabilizer and chlorine in the pool, I will load with borates again. I'll post some pics when I get The Liquidator in place. From the reading I've done it sounds like keeping TA and PH in check and loading with borates should both keep the chlorine demand lower and help prevent the scaling I've heard about--I know they recommend keeping the TA below 100 and the PH towards the 7.2-.4 range to manage both the demand and the potential for scaling...


    Texas: 26.5k IG plaster pool with hot tub c1992, STA-RITE DES51-01B DE filter, The Liquidator, Polaris 3900 Sport w/Polaris booster, K-2006 test kit w/Lamotte Borates test strips

  17. Back To Top    #17
    arjaygee's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Orange, California
    Posts
    33

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I've never heard of CYA leaching out of plaster as something significant. I'm pretty certain this won't be an issue for you. For CYA, I would start with the lower end of the recommended range first, and just monitor it for a few weeks. Then slowly add more, to target the mid point. As I'm sure you know, it's always easier to add then it is to take away. That's my 2 cents anyway.
    Rick
    27K Gal. In-ground 20x36 Plaster (Custom Curved Shape)
    1 Hp WisperFlo Pump; Hayward AQR15 AquaRite SWG, Purex Triton 60 Sq Ft DE Filter (FNSP 60); Pentair MasterTemp Heater

  18. Back To Top    #18

    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Richardson, Texas
    Posts
    16

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    Well it's installed. Only a small issue (which I knew would be a problem) with the unused connection that was going to the puck chlorinator...it would be a real hassle to replace the PVC, and a hose clamp with rubber is not sealing it tight...I've filled one of the 3/8 to PVC adapters with epoxy and I'm going to replace the hose clamp and rubber that's dripping with that tomorrow to see if it seals...if not I guess I'm replacing some PCV. This way at least I have an option to go back to pucks easily--though I've no plans to do that obviously.

    Anyway, I'm getting reverse osmosis Monday, then will load up a minimum amount of stabilizer and shock with cal hypo as the water will be over processed. A couple of days following I'm planning to reload with borates and get the ph and TA in line. Hopefully it will be easy sailing from there, fingers crossed, with the rev osmosis this was over a $1000 venture! Here's a pic.



    Texas: 26.5k IG plaster pool with hot tub c1992, STA-RITE DES51-01B DE filter, The Liquidator, Polaris 3900 Sport w/Polaris booster, K-2006 test kit w/Lamotte Borates test strips

  19. Back To Top    #19

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    18

    Re: Seriously Considering The Liquidator--Comments?

    I picked up my liquid chlorine at ACE hardware. Memorial day sale was 2gal/$5 @10%. I just add a quart every evening and levels have been steady the last two weeks.
    15' x 35' IG Gunite Pebble Sheen Aqua Blue finish. 4' x 5'3" x 4' 88ft perimeter 428 sqft. (15,000 gallons)OK flagstone coping stamped concrete deck 900 sqft. 3 scuppers on Flagstone wall
    Jandy 2.0hp "E" variable speed pump, Jandy CL460 Filter, Jandy iAqualink control, Nature2 Fusion, Polaris 280 w/Booster pump. 2 Jandy LV LED lights

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •