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    Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Hi all Thanks in advance, I opened my pool this year with well water , I shocked the pool and the water turned like a brown / green , then I added metal out as per the required gallons of pool water , within 24 hrs. the water cleared up completely. Vacuming and flushing the de filter and reloading the water is still clear . While waiting for my TF-100 kit to arrive I took a sample to my local Leslies pool center and here are their results :
    Leslies:
    FAC=4
    TAC=4
    PH=8
    TA=80
    CYA=0
    CH=120
    TDS=500
    they had me add 2Gal of conditioner (Stabilizer) good for 20,000gal

    My TF100 test kit arrived today and here are My results :

    PH=7.2/7.3
    CL=3 to 4
    Chlorine drop test =4
    CC=0
    CH=125ppm
    TA=200
    CYA=almost 50
    Water is sparkling clear.

    What now ?
    On the pool Math what is borates ?
    How do you measure borates ?
    How do they come into play with the other readings ?
    Am I completely off base ?

    any help is completely appreciated in breaking ties with the box stores ,
    thanks Rich
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    27' Round AG Pool 54" Tall, saucered out about 6" , Approx. 21,500 Gallons. Hayward EC65A Perflex DE filter. ProLine SK P712-2H Pump on a Century Laser Pool/Spa Motor By AO Smith 2.0 / .25 2-Speed 120v . Zodiac Nature 2 with a A30 / W28165 Mineral Cartridge. Pool build 12 yrs. old . Vinyl liner , pump and motor and DE filter 2yrs old .Nature 2 cartridge replaced every season .Replenished all by Well Water.

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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    How many times did you do your own test? I would be more inclined to go with your results rather than the pool store.... Borates.... Do you have any dogs or pets or small children that drink the water? If so, hold off on adding borates.... Borates are an optional enhancement that helps control PH drift, keeps algae in check, and provides various subjective water quality/feel improvements. If you are not intentionally using borates there is no need to test for them. When using borates, the recommended level is between 30 and 50 ppm.

    Here's the thread you want to read....

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...ol-Why-and-How

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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Hello Rich. Welcome to TFP.

    Since your CYA is already 50, do not use any stabilized chlorine such as tablets or powder shock with dichlor. You're at the max and you should stick with liquids.

    Since you are just beginning, I would urge you to disregard the borates for now until you get to know your pool a little better. The borates can be used as an algaecide to keep algae at bay and gives the water a cleaner, clearer appearance. They are not necessary atm or if ever. Borates can be measured with test strips specifically for borates. If you have cats or dogs who like to drink from the pool, they should not be intro'ed because they can poison the animal.

    Keep your chlorine between 4ppm-6ppm.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Welcome!

    I'd just leave it where it is and go swimming. Don't forget that the chlorine will go down every day. You've got another mouth to feed!

    Borates and salt for feel are totally optional, and I don't bother with either.

    Next time you test TA, wipe the tip with a damp paper towel. You could have some static electricity on the bottle since it's fresh. It will make the drops smaller so the TA reads artificially high.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    I took my time and tested the water once following the directions that came with the kit,
    No one will intentionaly drinks the water and animals don't have access to it, I would rather not go there if no need too . I would like to nail the basics down first.
    How do the test results look ,?
    what would you recommend in adjusting the results to optimum

    thanks Rich
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    So should I just enter my test results into the pool math and adjust accordingly to the recommendations ?
    Rich
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Bring your FC up to 6 n go swimming. Your test results are good.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Thank you all very much for your time and experience ,

    Rich
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    You are so welcome! If you ever have questions, issues or anything, just ask and we'll be here to help.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    I wanted to liquid Clorox bleach to raise my FC to 6 , but the wife only has concentrated Clorox bleach, at 6% it says to add 89 oz , at 8.25% it says to add 65oz , does anyone know what the concentrated Clorox bleach is rated at. I have 55oz of concentrated , should I just it all in ??

    Rich
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Clorox is 8.25%

    If it says High-Efficiency, don't use it. It has some thickeners in it.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    nope just says concentrated ? but don't give a percentage , cant find the info on their web site , my luck .... will a little to much hurt ??
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by rcorcich View Post
    nope just says concentrated ? but don't give a percentage , cant find the info on their web site , my luck .... will a little to much hurt ??
    It's 8.25%. A few ounces extra won't hurt, but remember, if you use it all up, you'll have to buy your wife a new jug.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    It won't hurt.
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320 View Post
    It's 8.25%. A few ounces extra won't hurt, but remember, if you use it all up, you'll have to buy your wife a new jug.
    Thanks , DW and I just got a good laugh,

    Rich
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    I use 12.5%
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320 View Post
    Clorox is 8.25%

    If it says High-Efficiency, don't use it. It has some thickeners in it.

    The bleach I have says for standard AND high efficiency machines.....so this doesn't have thickeners, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuinnessPhish View Post
    The bleach I have says for standard AND high efficiency machines.....so this doesn't have thickeners, correct?
    If it looks like this, you don't want it. The thickeners will probably mess up your chemistry.

    http://www.clorox.com/products/cloro...u2t89PHePw_wcB
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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    It doesn't look like that.....it says "For standard and HE machines"
    8,000 gallon, in ground, fiberglass pool with a cartridge filter.

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    Re: Newbie needs help with water analysis

    You HAVE to be kidding me! I have been using Clorox from Sam's Club and I can't get my FC to slam levels. I just bought my 30 more jugs of the stuff (after using 60) and NOW I find out it's the wrong stuff.



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