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    Brand new...help!

    Ok...just discovered you a couple of days ago and am really excited to FINALLY start tking control of my pool. For the last 2 years been struggling with FC issues...32K gallon plaster Anthony/Sylvan pool, 15 years old with DE filter. Opened pool Tuesday, vacuumed up silt re: mesh cover, water pretty clear, waited 48 hours and then took water sample to 2 different pool stores (just to see if I get similar test results and advice). Any how, PH 8.8+!!, TA way high, CYA close to zero and FC is zero! Both stores similar readings...
    One advised 60 lbs of PH down (in 8lb. doses) and the other said drain the pool a foot or 2 and come back for a new reading. Once the pool drained I put about 4-5 lbs. of PH down (could not believe my PH and TA were really that high) before going to sleep and started throwing Super Pool Treat (dichlor shock) in 8 and 12 cups at a time for a few times before going to sleep (watching the mushroom clouds foam up from the bottom of the pool everytime I threw in shock).

    In the midst of my evening I found this website and forum and have ordered the TF 100 test kit (hope to get it early this week) and started reading the Pool School!

    Next morning I checked the PH and TA and believe it or not it appeared close to normal! Threw in 12 cups shock, still saw mushroom clouds, waited 2 hours and took water samples to 2 stores. Confirmed FC zero, but CYA up to 20-30 (different readings from each store), but TA perfect and PH down to 6.8-7!! Can you imagine if I had followed the one stores advise and starting throwing in 60 lbs of PH Down!!! Now the advise was from one, 4lbs of shock every 4 hours until FC "purple" (3-5) on test strip (did this last year but once purple, I still had to shock every 2 days to get any FC readings -- I did NOT want to repeat that process again this year!). The other store said drain again and then come back (he was nice enough to say don't waste money on chemicals yet). BTW, no one could explain the mysterious new PH/TA readings...still a mystery to me unless someone could help me understand?

    Got home and did more TFP reading and discovered that the shock actually increases CYA and reduces PH and it better to use regular bleach instead! Also read about Borax and Baking Soda and sent wife on a mission to go get! My plan was to get PH/TA right before SLAMing the pool -- hope this was right? Pool calculator said 4 boxes of Borax; I put 2 last night and went to sleep...this morning improved some and put other 2 boxes and 2 hours later 7.2 using Poolmaster test kit. TA about 130. Per pool calculator, for a CYA of 30, I need to shock to 12 FC, so it said 800 ounces of 6% bleach. I put it in, 2 hours later, FC zero or close...

    So, at this point I sent wife to go by 16 more 96 oz. bottles of bleach and she will buy more tomorrow (with coupons!)...

    Am I on right track? I still have about 25 lbs. of Super Pool Treat (dichlor shock) and waiting for wife to come back from store with bleach. At this point, I plan on throwing 2 more rounds of bleach in and then continuing tomorrow...

    Any advice greatly appreciated...should I drain a foot or 2 and refill with my treated well water first or go for the SLAM?

    Is all of this a waste until I get my test kit?

    Excited to be here and thanks for any help!!

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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Welcome!

    It's all a waste until you have accurate test results. Except keeping some chlorine in the water.

    You may never need borax or baking soda, depending upon the fill water.
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Just any chlorine like syl chlor tabs or shock type?

    Thx...
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    Quote Originally Posted by perilous View Post
    Just any chlorine like syl chlor tabs or shock type?

    Thx...
    Bleach. Keep FC in that 3-5 range on your strips until the kit arrives.
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    A little confused, so if I put 800 ounces of bleach in...how soon should I check readings? In other words, how soon will water circulate for me to get a decent read? As I stated earlier, i put 800 ounces in this AM and my fc was not registering on test strip when I waited for circulation and checked (2 hours later)...

    Should I be putting in more than 800 ounces a shot?
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Congrats on finding this forum.
    You wont regret it or the end result of the advice from these folks. You will be shocked (pun intended) at how easy and so much more inexpensive it is to maintain a algae and troublefree pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perilous View Post
    A little confused, so if I put 800 ounces of bleach in...how soon should I check readings? In other words, how soon will water circulate for me to get a decent read? As I stated earlier, i put 800 ounces in this AM and my fc was not registering on test strip when I waited for circulation and checked (2 hours later)...

    Should I be putting in more than 800 ounces a shot?
    You have algae. the bleach is a daily dose to keep things from getting worse. Don't expect it to clear up or hold FC yet. It's going to take a whole lot of bleach for that. It means the SLAM process. To do the SLAM, you need the test kit. Unfortunately, you're sort of stalled.
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    OK, I will be patient and wait for kit. How much and how often would you recommend of bleach I put in starting now?

    I have trichlor tabs in floaters, just take them out or no harm in keeping them in?

    Truly thx!! I should have spent the extra $$$ for next day air
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    We have no way of knowing of the pucks are helping or hurting without knowing the water chemistry. Leave 'em. A few pucks extra in your giant pool can't make things significantly worse. Just let them hold things. Save the bleach for the SLAM.
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    Will do...thx for help!
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    OK...got my 100 test kit...quick place to start? Based on above, probably need to SLAM
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Show us your test results, mainly PH, CYA and chlorine.
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    First time using kit...
    PH 7
    FC 0.5; CC 1.0; TC 1.5
    CYA 50
    TA 130
    CH 300
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Quote Originally Posted by perilous View Post
    First time using kit...
    PH 7
    FC 0.5; CC 1.0; TC 1.5
    CYA 50
    TA 130
    CH 300
    Pool calculator says 1300 0z of bleach to raise FC to 20 FC shock levels...any harm if that is actually too much???

    PLEASE HELP...brand new to all of this!
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    No harm overshooting. You're going to need a lot of bleach, you might want to try finding some stronger bleach so you can use less. Walmart great value bleach is 8.25% and pretty cheap, while you're there, check to see if they have the hth liquid chlorinator in the pool section, it is 10% and about 6.50 for 2 gallons.
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Quote Originally Posted by PridgNYC View Post
    No harm overshooting. You're going to need a lot of bleach, you might want to try finding some stronger bleach so you can use less. Walmart great value bleach is 8.25% and pretty cheap, while you're there, check to see if they have the hth liquid chlorinator in the pool section, it is 10% and about 6.50 for 2 gallons.
    Thx! Just put in 1300 ounces (for 20 FC per Pool Math)...let's see how it goes...test in an hour? Maybe 2?

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    Oh...by the way...pool is crystal clear and has been for a few days...
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    Quote Originally Posted by perilous View Post
    See my other recent thread for particulars on where/how I started, but just put in 1300 ounces of bleach (for target FC of 20 as per Pool Calculator) a half an hour ago and hoping to see something register for FC I see "nothing"! Did I test too soon? Do I immediately put another 1300 ounces of bleach in and keep doing so until I see FC registering at all? The SLAM thing in Pool School not clear...HELP!
    Please post the test results from this addition of bleach including CC. Your earlier test had a CC=1 which meant you have something eating your chlorine.

    Also be sure to be running your filter 24/7 during the SLAM process. You can check the level 1 hour after adding with the filter running.

    Post those results and we'll take it from there, but it looks like you'll be needed more bleach. What concentration are you using?
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    OK...using 100 test kit...FC between 1 and 1.5, CC at 5...using standard 96 oz. jugs (Clorox) and "equivalent" concentrated at 8.25% in 64 ox containers; total of 1300 ounces at 6% concentration as per Pool Calculator...

    Put more bleach now?
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    Re: Brand new...help!

    With that much CC, you could test/add every half hour.
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    Is that cc 5 or .5?
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