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    where to start in search for new VS pump?

    My current pump is making tons of noise and is probably on the verge of failure and since it sits so close to the pool I figure a quieter one will be much more enjoyable while swimming or sitting outside. Per my signature I've currently got two identical 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II pumps (one running 2 waterfalls and the other as the main pool pump). I've also got a Polaris 280 running on a dedicated aux pump. I'm looking to replace the main pool pump with a variable speed pump, but am a bit lost when I get into the weeds of the different models/features, etc. I haven't been able to find a good source that does side by side comparisons into the details.

    I also get a $200 rebate if I buy one of the following pumps:

    http://www.roseville.ca.us/civicax/f...x?blobid=27450

    With my pool size at 12,000-14,000 gallons (still trying to get that tuned in) what should I buy? I'm most confused about a lot of the controllers, etc. since my current pump is pretty straightforward, i.e. wired into the control box with the manual clock style timers. I also see a lot of detail on pipe circumference to determine rate of flow, etc. Does most of that come into play when setting up/configuring the pump or important pre-purchase? Below is a picture of my current setup for reference.
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    Built 2003, 14k Gallons, IG Pebbletec, Primary Pump: Sta-Rite Intellipro VS, Sta-Rite Series 3 S8M150 Cartridge Filter, Fiberstars Jazz Light w/Color Wheel, Polaris 280 Vacuum (Runs Zodiac PB4-60 Booster Pump) and 2 Waterfalls (Run on separate, dedicated 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II Pump).

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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    You have two main choices: a 3 HP very flexible permanent magnet motor variable speed, like the IntelliFlo or EcoStar. Or a smaller 1.5 HP conventional motor variable speed like the Hayward Max-Flo VS. The permanent magnet motor is just slightly more efficient, but the smaller pump is much less money up front. If your electric rates are astronomical, say $0.40/kWh or higher, the larger pump might be justified, the larger pump also integrates will with automation systems, while the smaller one does not.
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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    Thanks for the information. My rates aren't bad for CA, $0.10 for first 500kW and $0.15 for everything after 500. What is the best way to sort through the different IntelliFlo models? Or is there only 1-2 current models in production that I should be comparing? I see:

    Pentair INP-VS
    Pentair INT-VS
    Pentair IntelliFlo i1
    Pentair IntelliFlo Variable Speed
    Pentair IntelliFlo VF
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3050
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS+SVRS
    Built 2003, 14k Gallons, IG Pebbletec, Primary Pump: Sta-Rite Intellipro VS, Sta-Rite Series 3 S8M150 Cartridge Filter, Fiberstars Jazz Light w/Color Wheel, Polaris 280 Vacuum (Runs Zodiac PB4-60 Booster Pump) and 2 Waterfalls (Run on separate, dedicated 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II Pump).

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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    From the various IntelliFlo models, I recommend the Pentair IntelliFlo Variable Speed. That is the modern version of the VS 3050 which has added a fancy timer.

    You only want SVRS if you have to have it. The VF is cool tech, but not worth the extra money. The i1 has an artificial limitation to 1 HP to meet code requirements in a few areas that presumably don't apply. And so on.
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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    Great, thanks. I was considering DIY, but looks like only a 60 day warranty... which is strange because I thought all U.S. products mandated a minimum 1 year warranty? While I'm not a big fan of extended warranties, they do a 3 year if put in by a Qualified Installer. If I can get the pump for ~$900.00 on my own, maybe another ~$50 in parts, any thoughts on where I would roughly end up with a Qualified Installer doing it (assuming limited plumbing re-work and current electrical good to go)? I'm just curious as this is my first go into the pool world and not sure if I should expect a 5% markup or 25% when I start shopping around.
    Built 2003, 14k Gallons, IG Pebbletec, Primary Pump: Sta-Rite Intellipro VS, Sta-Rite Series 3 S8M150 Cartridge Filter, Fiberstars Jazz Light w/Color Wheel, Polaris 280 Vacuum (Runs Zodiac PB4-60 Booster Pump) and 2 Waterfalls (Run on separate, dedicated 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II Pump).

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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    Sorry for the double post, but any reason to consider the Sta-Rite IntelliPro versus the Pentair IntelliFlo? Price is identical.
    Built 2003, 14k Gallons, IG Pebbletec, Primary Pump: Sta-Rite Intellipro VS, Sta-Rite Series 3 S8M150 Cartridge Filter, Fiberstars Jazz Light w/Color Wheel, Polaris 280 Vacuum (Runs Zodiac PB4-60 Booster Pump) and 2 Waterfalls (Run on separate, dedicated 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II Pump).

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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    They are nearly identical, no real reason to choose one or the other.
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    Re: where to start in search for new VS pump?

    Thanks - for what it's worth to close out the thread topic, I went with the Sta-Rite as it matches the rest of my sytem and was the same price. Install this weekend! Any tips are welcome, but the product manual seemed to have pretty good detail.
    Built 2003, 14k Gallons, IG Pebbletec, Primary Pump: Sta-Rite Intellipro VS, Sta-Rite Series 3 S8M150 Cartridge Filter, Fiberstars Jazz Light w/Color Wheel, Polaris 280 Vacuum (Runs Zodiac PB4-60 Booster Pump) and 2 Waterfalls (Run on separate, dedicated 1HP Sta-Rite Max-E-Glas II Pump).

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