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    Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    I believe I have a broken or stuck bypass insert and possibly a bad thermostat. I had a grid from the de filter break a few months ago and send a few pieces through the heater. I believe I got all of the pieces out however now when I turn on my heater it begins to make a boiling sound after about a minute of operation.

    I purchased the items to install and would like to tackle it this weekend. I know nothing about the heater but from the manual it doesn't look like there's much to it however its not 100% detailed either.

    I have attached a few pictures for reference. If I am correct and please correct me if I am not I believe I need to kill power, turn off gas, drain the bypass valve, loosen the two union nuts on plumbing, then loosen and disconnect the 2 nuts for the hi-limit switch*, disconnect the pressure switch tube*, and disconnect the thermostat bulbs*, remove the 12 nuts on the bypass valve and pull forward.

    * Any special procedure or precautions I should take in removing these?

    Once this is all removed I'm hoping to see the way everything needs to go back in from the look of the old parts.

    Any and all help is appreciated.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Turn off unit, shut off pump, loosen/disconnect unions where water comes and out, then disconnect the hi limits to the right side of header(just disconnect the wires), remove temp sensor on the left side, remove the pressure switch from where it connect into the header, then remove all of the nuts. Hopefully none of them are rusted to the point that they break off. Try some spray like WD40 first. Once the nuts are removed you can pull the header off and replace the parts you need to replace.

    Does this unit have a digital display or dials?

    Here is a little help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzHLiba3s1g

    Good luck.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    Turn off unit, shut off pump, loosen/disconnect unions where water comes and out, then disconnect the hi limits to the right side of header(just disconnect the wires), remove temp sensor on the left side, remove the pressure switch from where it connect into the header, then remove all of the nuts. Hopefully none of them are rusted to the point that they break off. Try some spray like WD40 first. Once the nuts are removed you can pull the header off and replace the parts you need to replace.

    Does this unit have a digital display or dials?

    Here is a little help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzHLiba3s1g

    Good luck.
    Paul thank you so much for your insight and video! It has the digital display.

    In your description mention the temp sensor and pressure switch are on the left. I believe the guide calls these Pressure switch tube, and Thermostat Bulbs. At any rate the one on the left closest to the front in my picture that has the 3 wires going into the nut do I just loosen as I would any nut or is there any precaution to take as the wires seem that they will be twisting a lot.

    Thanks again Paul. Your wisdom is greatly appreciated!

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Yes just use an appropriate wrench to remove the "thermostat bulb." I use an adjustable. Yes also remove the tube the pressure switch is connected to.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

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    Yes just use an appropriate wrench to remove the "thermostat bulb." I use an adjustable. Yes also remove the tube the pressure switch is connected to.
    I have removed the nut around the copper tubing however the tube wont pull away. Have I done something wrong? Turning the other nut only turns the entire tube. I have attached a pic. Thanks!
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    You just need to pull hard. I usually grab it by the pressure switch and pull/turn at the same time. Some of these are a pain in the rear to get out but they do come out.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    You just need to pull hard. I usually grab it by the pressure switch and pull/turn at the same time. Some of these are a pain in the rear to get out but they do come out.
    Pulling it by the pressure switch was key. Inside I found another two pieces of broken DE grid and the exsisting bypass valve kit looked great and was the strong plastic so I didn't need to replace it. However the thermostat was in really bad shape. Replaced it and the heater ran great for an hour test.

    Your help has been greatly appreciated. Do you by chance have an email address connected with a paypal account?
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    I am glad that I was able to help you out in getting your system back up and running. Knowing that I could help is more than enough thanks. This is what this site is all about, helping others. Enjoy your heater and I hope it staying running good for much longer.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    I am glad that I was able to help you out in getting your system back up and running. Knowing that I could help is more than enough thanks. This is what this site is all about, helping others. Enjoy your heater and I hope it staying running good for much longer.
    Your awesome! Thanks again!

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Paul,

    Today was the first day I tried to use the heater since the repair and test. When I press the mode button it does not cycle to pool or spa. Is this possibly related to the repair? Any help is appreciated. Thanks

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Check and make sure all of the connectors on the back of the control panel are plugged in. This repair would not affect the keypad. It could be a fluke that the keypad went out as well. Check the connectors though.
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    Check and make sure all of the connectors on the back of the control panel are plugged in. This repair would not affect the keypad. It could be a fluke that the keypad went out as well. Check the connectors though.
    Thanks Paul. You were right and it was a fluke the keypad went out as well. Installed a new one yesterday and everything powered back up great. However after about 60 seconds of operation I began to hear a sound best described as a whine or squeak. No error codes and heater is producing hot water to the pool/spa. I turned the heater off as the sounds didn't go away after a couple of minutes of use. Any help is appreciated.

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    The only thing I can relate this to would be the bypass which you already fixed. Are you sure you have good water flow thru the heater?
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    The only thing I can relate this to would be the bypass which you already fixed. Are you sure you have good water flow thru the heater?
    Water flow is great.

    Originally when I opened the header I only removed the broken piece of de grid I found in there and replaced the thermostat as you could tell from the previous pic the one in there was majorly corroded. Is it possible the new thermostat is causing the problem? Everything else with the bypass looked good. Should I go ahead and replace the internals of the header? The previous picture also shows how the internals of the header looked.

    I also noticed a bit of a funny smell when the heater begins to whine/squeak if that helps at all.

    Thanks again

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Pop the top and see if it looks like the heat exchanger is sooted. Although I have never heard a unit "whine" with a sooted up heat exchanger. How was the spring inside the header?
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    Pop the top and see if it looks like the heat exchanger is sooted. Although I have never heard a unit "whine" with a sooted up heat exchanger. How was the spring inside the header?
    I pulled the top. Here is a pic of the exchanger. The black object is a roasted lizard... The spring inside the header looked fine visually.

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    That copper looks very fatigued from over heating. Personally I would say it's shot
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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Quote Originally Posted by ps0303 View Post
    That copper looks very fatigued from over heating. Personally I would say it's shot
    Would that be the cause for the whine/squeak? And what would cause the over heating?

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    Re: Hayward H400 Heater / Bypass Valve Kit and Thermostat Replacement Installation

    Possible the cause of the sound. A bad bypass or poor water flow causes the unit to overheat and cause what you are seeing.
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