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    Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Hi, I'm in TX and started using the TFPC method on my pool last year with great results. I didn't close my pool, and other than the annoying part of constantly having to empty the leaves out of the skimmers/cleaner (2x a day in Nov), it went fine.

    I did have one issue though, and I wonder if anybody else who doesn't close their pool has the same issue. I was finding that my filter pressure would rocket up to the "need-to-backwash" level all the time over winter. I had to backwash maybe once all summer, but it got to be almost every week in the winter. Obviously all the leaves/organic was putting some stress on the filter, so I guess it makes sense. However, the real issue is replacing the DE. I replaced the DE the first few times, but once I saw it was going to be a regular occurrence, I just stopped, since it would've got costly pretty quick. Anybody else have a similar issue? If so, what did you do about replacing the DE? I figure I'll wait til it gets a little warmer and then I need to do a full filter cleanout anyhow.

    FYI - my winter routine: filter/cleaner on 2hrs a day, and I haven't checked the chemicals at all (vs checking them every week in summer). Water is clear and looks fine.
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Just for clarification, you stopped backwashing or just didn't add DE back to the filter grids?
    15'x48" 4500 gallon Intex pool, buried 1.5 ft. Pac-Fab Dynamo 3/4 hp pump. Hayward S180T sand filter, bought used. Taylor K-2006 test kit. Rocket mass heater based wood fired pool heater.

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    I kept backwashing - it's not good for it to stay at that high of a pressure, right? I just didn't add DE anymore.
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    you may end up replacing the grids in your filter. They don't last long without DE on them.

    What happens is the fine mesh screens on the grids get loaded with gunk from the water, and are impossible to clean without damaging them.
    15'x48" 4500 gallon Intex pool, buried 1.5 ft. Pac-Fab Dynamo 3/4 hp pump. Hayward S180T sand filter, bought used. Taylor K-2006 test kit. Rocket mass heater based wood fired pool heater.

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Quote Originally Posted by elenaran View Post
    I kept backwashing - it's not good for it to stay at that high of a pressure, right? I just didn't add DE anymore.
    It's not a good idea to run your filter with out DE on the grids. I'd pull them out and have a look at them. If their ok put them back in and get them coated with DE. 😎
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Yea they need D.E. To work .
    i wonder why your pressure keeps going up ? Thats strange.
    Might want to take filter apart and inspect your grids and the o-ring on the discharge pipe.
    If the grids have any holes or the plastic frame is cracked they need to go.
    Put it back together and add the proper. Amount ( see filter manual ) of D.E.
    It's really important to add the correct amount .
    I only break my filter down 2-3 times a year , so that's just 1-2 box's of D.E.
    I don't backwash i just clean the grids with garden hose.
    When you backwash you never know what the correct amount of D.E. To add is.
    Thats just my opinion......
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    elanaran,

    I maintain my pool in the winter just as you do so I understand the issue pretty well.

    I don't think there is an easy solution.

    Because DE filters so many tiny, tiny particles, it tends to clog more quickly which, of course, gives you a high psi and the need to backwash.

    My first suggestion would be to try skimmer socks and see if the "pre-filtering" they do will reduce the backwash frequency.

    Do you run your auto-vac in the winter? That is sort of a "pre-filter" in it's own right and may also reduce the amount of fine particles that are clogging your DE filter.

    I am not advocating you do this but the best fix would be a sand filter. Sand filter's don't clog as quickly as DE just by their nature so that would surely help but it may nag you that the sand filter is not removing particles as fine as the DE does.
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Yeah I run the cleaner 2hrs a day. I did have the skimmer socks, but I took them off in the winter because I was having to clean the skimmers even more when they were in, but maybe I should've left them in...

    ~15k gal IG pebble pool/spa w/ water features, Goldline ProLogic + SWG, 2x Hayward Northstar pumps, Hayward Booster Pump, Hayward 60sqft DE filter, 400k BTU Hayward heater, Hayward Viio Turbo pool cleaner, TF100 test kit

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    This was our first winter with a pool...we're in Memphis TN. I noticed my pressure gauge on the filter was skyrocketing after our harsh winter. I was panicked that something was terribly wrong. Well...what happened was the extra cold temps (we had a very cold winter for our area) broke my pressure gauge and it was reading way high.

    Bought a new gauge from the pool store for 12 bucks...screwed it on...readings look normal now. Before you go too far down the line with expensive repairs I would recommend changing out your gauge first. They're cheap..and apparently they break all the time. The guy at the pool store said you were lucky to get much more than 2 or 3 seasons out of one.

    Hope this is your problem...

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Well I don't think the gauge it's broken because it'll read normal levels after backwashing.

    I think, after hearing everyone's advice, what's really needed is to open it up and give the grids a good cleaning.

    Anybody have any good videos for opening/closing DE filters? (Would be great if it was my brand too)

    ~15k gal IG pebble pool/spa w/ water features, Goldline ProLogic + SWG, 2x Hayward Northstar pumps, Hayward Booster Pump, Hayward 60sqft DE filter, 400k BTU Hayward heater, Hayward Viio Turbo pool cleaner, TF100 test kit

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Sorry dude...it was worth a shot. You may want to replace the gauge just to be sure. It's a $10 repair and takes less than 5 minutes to change. Even if there's only a 10% chance it will fix your problem it may be worth doing....

    Good luck...

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Quote Originally Posted by elenaran View Post
    Well I don't think the gauge it's broken because it'll read normal levels after backwashing.

    I think, after hearing everyone's advice, what's really needed is to open it up and give the grids a good cleaning.

    Anybody have any good videos for opening/closing DE filters? (Would be great if it was my brand too)

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
    I JUST did mine this past weekend and took a lot of pictures to create a tutorial, unfortunately, it is not finished up and ready to post yet. When are you thinking of tackling this?

    EDIT: Here is some information about DE filters, by tutorial will focus on the breakdown and cleaning, although you may need to do some of the soaking since your grids are likely clogged up now: http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...for-DE-filters
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    I agree with Duraleigh, Skimmer Socks! It is your choice, either clean the socks or clean the filter.

    My filter is a canister and so breaking it open to clean is a pain and not something I would ever do in winter. So for me the choice is easy - skimmer socks. Even with daily cleaning. And if you up-end the skimmer basket in a bucket of water to clean the fine bits off then at least you start out a bit cleaner and perhaps that will let you only clean once a day at the worst of it.

    For you, the ease of backwashing may say that doing that is best for you, although I might worry about the water usage. Having been at a few Water Use presentations here in Houston lately I am stunned by the shape the state is in regards to water resources and ANY water that is saved is precious.

    At this point, it seems that you have good advice regarding the need to keep adding DE, I don't know much about that.
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Great tips - thanks!

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    jblizzle - not in the next few days. I'd be interested to see your tutorial

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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    I will see what I can do. I have the text basically written, but need to edit and imbed the images ... of course I need to finish my taxes too
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    The owners manual for you filter should have tear down instructions , if you don't have it , most of them are on line , check the MFG's website.
    It is really easy .. After a few times you can get it to 20-30 minutes.
    Basic instructions.
    1. Always backwash and rinse serveral times first.
    2. remove band.
    3. Remove top
    4. Unscrew nut on top of manifold
    5. Remove manifold
    6. Remove Grids
    7 clean all pcs with garden hose only , never use high pressure like a power washer . Its bad for the grids
    8. Inspect all pcs for wear/ damage.

    Put the grids in the manifold and complete the manifold assembly
    Install the complete assembly
    Tighten band and torque to mfg specs see manual for your filter this is important. Some are different.
    Add D.E. , i make a slurry in a 5gal bucket, some just dump the powder in the skimmer, either way use proper amount of D.E see manual.





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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    That is basically what my tutorial will say ... with a lot more details and things I have learned that seem to make it easier.
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Hm, I have a ratchet wrench set, but I've never noticed the torque rating...
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    Re: Question for those who don't close their pool over winter

    Quote Originally Posted by elenaran View Post
    Hm, I have a ratchet wrench set, but I've never noticed the torque rating...
    Do NOT just torque the nut or you may break it. I get mine seated using very little force by alternating tightening the nut and tapping around the clamp with a rubber mallet.

    I have my tutorial done, although I need to get an admin's help because I have too many pictures
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