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    Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PIC!!!

    Hi All,

    I have been doing battle with my pool. Its approximately 15k gallons, compupool saltwater generator. Mid summer i started getting these black dots in the pool. At first I thought it was nothing (this is my first pool) but then they started to multiply. I poured in the black algaecide (sun tropics brand) you get at the store and have been scrubbing with the wire pool brush but the spots are not going away. The spots after the algaecide treatment almost started to look like they were bleeding or rusty. Now I am starting to thinking I have organic matter or maybe fertilizer in there? I have a screened pool enclosure and an oak tree in the front of the house, the rest are palms or ficus in the back by the pool. The water is clean the chemistry safe for swimming but I have these horrible dots/spots everywhere.....What can I do, i need your guys expert help. I took a bunch of photos that I will try to attach.

    updated 10/18/2013 with test results

    I wanted a good baseline so i bought a taylor k-2006 kit. I performed all the tests but couldnt get the Calcium hardness test right, it was always purple, not blue and I felt like i was wasting regent.

    In a 15-16k saltwater pool

    FC: 4
    CC: 0
    PH: 8
    TA: 80 ppm
    CYA: < 30 super low could see the dot even with the whole vial filled so its less than 30
    CH: inconclusive was always purple tried the test twice following the fading end point directions couldnt get it to work
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter - How do I get rid of it!

    Welcome to TFP!!!

    Post up a picture of the spot and a full set of test results. We generally do not recommend using any magic potions (like the black algaecide) as chlorine will do everything on its own.

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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter - How do I get rid of it!

    Are any of the spots on the walls? Can not tell.
    Some of them certainly look like metal stains and this would not be the first time someone accidentally got some fertilizer into the pool and causing spots.
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter - How do I get rid of it!

    Hi There....90% of the stains are on the bottom of the pool. At first start in the crevices where the bottom meets the wall but now in the deep end of the pool its all over the bottom. If this helps the stains are in the Gunite and I noticed the same stain on the plastic main-drain cover.
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter - How do I get rid of it!

    This pic shows how they are on the bottom of the deep end all over.



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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter - How do I get rid of it!

    I don't think black algae has that halo around the spots. I think it is metal stains.

    Try crushing up some vitamin C tablets in a sock and set it on a spot and see if it fades/disappears in a few minutes.
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PI

    Hi JBLIZZLE

    I went and bought some 500mg Vitamin c tablets and used it to rub out some of the stains. The "halo" or "bleeding" effect around the dot is complete removed and the center dot/spot itself its greatly minimized! So now the question is how do I treat my entire pool with Ascorbic acid (vitamin C)? You guys are finally giving me some hope.

    Can you still see my pics they aren't showing for me?
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PI

    Yes I see the pictures.

    There is a link in the article about metals in Pool School about how to do the AA treatment.
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PI

    forgive me as I am new to this site but can you paste a link to the articles or indicate the naviagation to get to them.
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PI

    I tried searching for the article and thread listed here but didnt find anything Im assuming its the treatment I need to pursue?
    question-about-polyquat-60-during-ascorbic-acid-treatment-t70533.html
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    Re: Black Algea or Organic Matter or Metal Stains? Help W/PI

    Welcome to tfp, estcstpool

    Here is the pool school article with a link to the ascorbic acid treatment: http://www.troublefreepool.com/pool-...metal%20stains

    By the way, the link to pool school is always near the upper right of page.
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    Can you use HASA Super Stain Out as metal sequestrant? AA

    Hi All,

    I already have a bottle of HASA super stain out concentrate. Can I use that instead of jacks magic (purple) as the metal sequesterant for the AA treatment? I have a SWG.

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    Re: Can you use HASA Super Stain Out as metal sequestrant? A

    What are the ingredients? It's on the label.
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    Re: Can you use HASA Super Stain Out as metal sequestrant? A

    Doesn't list ingredients.
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    Re: Can you use HASA Super Stain Out as metal sequestrant? A

    Here is some of the MSDS

    Chemical Family: Sequestrant
    Ingredients: Contains no hazardous ingredients.
    PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
    Vapor Pressure: Not applicable. Flash Point: Not Known.
    Weight/Gallon: 11 lbs 4 oz pH: 6.5 7 (2.5% Solution)
    Specific Gravity: <1.4 @ 25 C (water = 1) Odor: Slight Ammonia
    Bulk Density: Not applicable. Boiling Point: 108 C
    Melting Point: Not applicable. Freezing Point: No Data
    Physical State: Liquid Solution Color: Clear amber liquid
    Solubility: Soluble Stability: Stable
    FIRE AND
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    Ascorbic acid treatment - Confirm Order of Operations

    HI All,

    This forum has been great. I have been reading all about the AA treatment. I want to make sure I have the order operations down. My questions about each step are after the hypen "-"

    1) Bring Pool FC near zero
    2) Add poyquat 60 when FC is around 2. - How much do I add here half bottle?
    3) Adjust PH to 7.2 - Which product raises PH which lowers? I know A&H wash mentioned to bring it up
    4) Add 2lb of AA ( I have 15k gallon pool)
    5) Add HASA super stain out metal sequestering agent - Do I add it now or can I add it before I add AA?
    5) No bypass let pump run for 30 mins (will be replacing filter anyways when I get these stains taken care of)
    6) Run pump 24-36 hours
    7) Monitor PH keep it at 7.2
    8) start to raise raise chlorine - when do I do this after 2 days? Is 20% a good starting point?

    Thanks!
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    Re: Ascorbic acid treatment - Confirm Order of Operations

    If you haven't seen it yet, here is a good thread on the ascorbic acid treatment: http://www.troublefreepool.com/ascor...ins-t2298.html There are some differences with your approach and the process in the thread.
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    Re: Ascorbic acid treatment - Confirm Order of Operations

    yes i have read that thread but my questions above i didn't find answers to, would you be so kind to highlight my differences that Im not realizing and take a stab at my questions?
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