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    Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Ok so after my SLAM, and a few days of swimming, I have the pool balanced well (so I think).

    PH - 7.8 - I will be adding some acid shortly
    FC - 6
    CC - 0.5 - yes, i know...
    CYA - 60
    TA - 90
    CH - 350

    My pool looks great, and I am ready to turn on my SWG again after the SLAM and am looking for advice on maybe what % to start with and how to determine if it's indeed working.
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Turn the SWG on to 100% and crack open the union joint at the end of the cell. This will leak a little water out of the cell and it should measure higher in FC than a FC sample from the pool. Another way is to run it at 100% for the day and the FC should be higher at the end of the day compared to the FC measured in the morning.

    The output % that you need will depend on the run time of the pump. Start with a 50% setting and see if the pool is losing or gaining FC in a 24 hour period then adjust as necessary. I like to use a high output % on the SWG and run the pump as few hours as possible to maintain a clean pool. My electrical cost is fairly high so I like to limit the pump run time.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    So, I have done this suggestion. 100% on the SWG. I waited about 20 minutes and sampled the water on the downstream union. The result of the test shows me a FC 6 (maybe 6.5). Any thoughts on where the FC level should be with the SWG at 100%? or how much higher it should test than pool water?
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    It'll probably only be a couple of ppm higher than the bulk water.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Your mileage may vary, but when my SWG is working, I have bubbles at the returns. Turn it off and the bubbles go away.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    SO it appears to me things are back to normal. Since last test results I've been running SWG at 100% 9 hours a day (2 days).

    Latest results...just now

    pH 7.8
    FC 12
    CC 0
    TA 90
    CYA 60
    CH 320 (maybe I am still learning testing)

    Im going to drop SWG to 50% now and see where I end up at pump shutdown today.
    Also, I'm going to add some Baking Soda to raise the TA just a bit.

    Any other ideas?

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    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Don't raise the TA. Since you have an swg it's even a little on the high side. Why do you think you need to raise it?
    Most swg users find that a TA of under 70 works better for them. If you raise it your pH will no doubt rise rapidly.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    OK good point. I'll leave it alone. Thoughts on setting on SWG?
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    If you're fairly certain of the CYA level I'd raise it just a little, and then it's just a matter of testing and adjusting the swg to get the FC correct.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Regarding recommendations on setting the SWG:

    Get the pump run time where you like it first. Once you are happy with the run time, adjust the SWG percentage to hold the FC at about 6. This will give you a little buffer to prevent it dropping below 3. At least that's how I set mine. You might want to check FC just before the pump starts back up the next day to ensure your FC is holding above 3 or 4, if not you can bump the percentage up a little more.

    Carefully raising CYA to 70-80 might help holding FC during the time the pump doesn't run.

    When to run it, there are different schools of thought on. I like to run mine during the day so FC stays stable. Some like to run it at night so FC builds and has opportunity to work harder on just the pool instead of getting consumed by the sun, then it has an abundance of FC to hold through the daytime.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    As for the CYA - 60, Iv'e tested with the TF-100, and just as the kit says, when the black dot disappears is at 60, of course I am a rookie at the determination of exactly when that occurs so it could be a little earlier raising the CYA to maybe 70 I'd guess. I am going to have to drain some water as well, as we had a big rain yesterday.
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
    TF-100 Test Kit

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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    ok, another day in my saga.

    tested this am.

    CYA 60
    FC 11
    CC 0

    I am going to assume my SWG is working now, it has been set to 65% for last 24 hours (pump time of 10 total).

    Two questions now...

    Am I correct in assuming the SWG is functioning correctly?

    Shall I add some CYA to raise the level a little more?
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
    TF-100 Test Kit

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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    If it were not working, your FC would drop. Looks like it's holding steady. One thing, you don't need to be up that high, shoot for 6.

    Already commented on CYA in post above.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    I believe the SWG is working as it should and that you should bump up the CYA.

    Always check FC a couple times a week to make sure all is well with the SWG. Most of the time I use the OTO test and make sure it is bright yellow.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Yes, I would agree, just leaning on y'all a bit. I'll address the CYA as you suggested.

    OTO! Bright Yellow... Got it. It is right now, and I'll decrease the % some so to be closer to the FC 6.

    Thanks!
    Seminole
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
    TF-100 Test Kit

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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Ok so Since my last post.

    Pool is clear and seemingly stable.

    CYA - 80
    FC - 11
    CC - 0
    TA - 80
    Ph - 7.5
    CH - 350

    SO, I am looking for further advice to lower the FC. I've been running the SWG at 25% for 2 days now and the FC level is about unchanged note- my display shows the SWG (Chlorinator Off / Percentage Met). I can tell the FC is high (to me) as I am swimming. It is raining some today and I am trying to avoid adding water hoping for more rain. Is this the only way to get my FC down other than maybe turning the pump run time down?(it's at 9 hours on HIGH)
    13K Gal/ IG/ plaster-pebble aggregate/ Cartridge Filter C17502/ 2 speed 2.0HP
    Pool installed 8/2012/ SPA w/spillover/ SWG Hayward Turbo cell T-9/ Kreepy Krawly cleaner/ ORLANDO, FL
    TF-100 Test Kit

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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    SWG's need to be adjusted about this time of year due to the weather and the sun being lower in the sky than during the summer. We are finally having summer temps for the last couple of weeks where I'm at, but I have cut back on pump run time and % output.

    Try turning the SWG down to 0% until the FC drops to 6 ppm, be sure to test daily.

    Running on high speed for 9 hours seems like a big waste of electricity to me if your SWG works on low speed. I'm down to a 9 hour run with 8 hours of it on low speed. During the winter I'll only run for 3 hours with 1/2 hour on high speed. Each pool will be different on it's run time, but I recommend for you to start experimenting on low speed and reducing the pump time. If your electrical rates are high, it is best to run a higher % on the SWG and keep the pump run time to the minimum that keeps the pool clean.
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    Re: Need to determine if SWG is working now

    Ping gave you good advice above! See this pool school article: http://www.troublefreepool.com/pool-.../pump_run_time

    Quote Originally Posted by Seminole
    I can tell the FC is high (to me) as I am swimming.
    How?
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