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    Funny Air Problem

    Hello- See if I can explain this properly- Underground pool.
    We added a new pump this season to replace an old one, had the pool store do it , I bought the pump myself, direct replacement. Also new Jandy valve
    Seem to be getting a lot of bubbles in the filter basket, but just on top ( swirling) New connections from return to the filter itself. I checked the connection at the Jandy Valve, out of pump, multi port and in/out on the Sta-Rite sand filter.
    All O rings seem fine, triple checked BUT am getting air in the sandfilter. After about 2 hours running, no pressure building, but I can release a LOT of air from the top valve on the filter, as if 1/2 the filter is full of air.
    We see no air coming from the return into the pool.
    I've been correcting this problem now by leaving the air valve on top of the filter open slightly to release the extra air.
    Again, no pressure building up on the gauge but a lot of air.

    Have not opened or checked the filter, it's the older two piece filter with the knobs around the middle type thing. Filter seems to work, shows about 19 pounds. Probably open it up next season, hasn't been opened in a year, last check sand was OK. More concerned about the air.

    We do shut the pool down every night and the level in the filter basket stays full, showing that we aren't leaking at night and retains some internal pressure-

    SO... thought on the air problem, or is there one. Pool guy said it's OK as long as you don't get the water level to low in the filter basket. BUT why the air ?

    Thanks-
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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    Welcome to TFP.

    You have a suction side air leak. Have you removed and resealed the drain plugs?
    Have you lubed the pump basket seal well with pool lube?
    Have you checked the suction port fitting on the pump for leaking?

    Once you find and fix the leak, you won't be getting air in the filter any more.
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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    Welcome to tfp, Outlawhistory

    Bama beat me, but here are my comments:

    Air in the pump filter basket is usually a suction side leak (water coming from pool to pump section). Did you lube the cover o-ring well and are the pump drain plugs well sealed?

    If it is a leak on the suction side, the most common places other than the two mentioned above are at any joints on the suction side. Running water over each joint while seeing if the air reduces in the pump basket can help diagnose where the leak is.

    Other things it could be are low water level or a stuck skimmer weir allowing air to be sucked in at skimmer.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    Thanks, did all the above with Magic Lube, but no, not the two pump drains. Really worked over the connection from Jandy v to the pump, even can run it with out the tightening nut off and the connection stays firm no water or air. Even covered the connection with Magic Lube for good measure and retightened.
    I'll try the little pump drains, then water bath idea. The return line, from the skimmer, was pressure tested two years ago when we did some work on the return to the pool.
    Frustrating. Such a simple operation.

    Appreciate the answers, I like working on the stuff myself, as much as I can.

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    People tend to overlook the drain plugs and they're the cause of air leaks a good bit of the time.
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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    So far no improvement. Somehow I think it may be the basket fitting ? Last clear cap screwed on, this has a locking type fitting. Only reason I say this, there seems to be a significant air leak, should be obvious I'd think. Don't know what to say at this point. The basket stays full all night under a little pressure, ? Pump impeller ?
    Hmmm?

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    It has to be on the suction side of the impeller.

    The skimmer isn't creating a vortex when it's running is it?
    What pump do you have?
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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    Not really, you get a bit of a vortex, but almost have to think about it, so small.
    Maxi-flo 1 HP motor-
    I have one outlet in the pool, about a 25,000 something pool, 17 X 34 or so, would have to look it up, forgot. Last pump was 12 years old, this is the same pump set up just new.
    Pretty straight forward, skimer about 30 ' to the Jandy, into pump, out to Multiport, in to Sta-Rite System 3 sand fiter, out to return.

    A thought, any suggestions on a lub to use on the filter basket top, as I say been using Magic Lube, wonder if there is something I can reallygoop on, on the ) ring.

    ( key board is acting up sorry for the writing )

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    If it's creating a vortex in the skimmer at all it can suck air into the system. Is the weir working correctly?

    Silicon lube is the correct type. Any Pool or pure silicon lube will do.
    Dave J. TFP Moderator
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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    We had some issues with the weir door last year, stopping suction by staying closed. It appears to be " floating " open OK now. I can double check. So if the weir door is being off, it can start a vortex. Hmmmm. Could be and I don't even know it.
    Possibly the new pump is drawing stronger and causing a flow ( vortex ) issue. Something like closing the Jandy valve slightly and creating turbulence.
    Other then float a piece of wood or something in the skimmer box, can't think how to correct the situation ?
    Ideas ? I'll check the weir...

    Again, thanks-

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    If the skimmer weir is not stuck but if it is still vortexing, the easiest solution is usually to raise the water level a little.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    HMMMMM, went out and played with the weir door, really contols the flow, a LOT. As I said we've had problems with the door, but mainly due to water level and the way the door was opening. I can see vortex in the skimmer box AND after watching the turbulence could see small bubbles forming here and there. The pool is a little low now too.
    May be on to something here- Be back after I raise the pool level, probably tomorrow.
    Interesting !!!

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    Re: Funny Air Problem

    Wonderful about an 70% improvement in loss of air in the system. At the point where I feel OK in running it without worry-
    Hey thanks everyone, this is a great & helpful site. That's some deep knowledge about checking the vortex in the skimmer !!!!!!
    I do the same for people on the old car sites, with problems.

    Have a good Fall & Winter-

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