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    Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Hi!

    I'm installing a new SWG (Hayward).
    Have been reading up on the manuals and they indicate preparing the water. For salt system they recommend getting the salt and stabilizer to level as well as use metal reducer.

    What are the experiences in the real world?

    Thanks!
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Have you looked at this pool-school/salt_water_chlorine_generators.

    Do have one of the test kits we recommend ?


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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Do you even have any metals that need reducing? Other than that, balance the pool per pool school, especially cya level required for your SWG and add the salt and circulate for 24 hours prior.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    I'll need to test for metals.

    Thanks for the help!
    Pool: 6,500gal Plaster (Pool & Spa), Capsule Shape, 25ft x 8ft, 3ft to 5ft depth
    Spa: 6ft diameter, 3ft deep
    Equipment: Hayward DE3620 Filter, EcoStar VS Pump, Aqua Plus Controls & SWG

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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Hi!

    Ok, I just tested the water with Pentair Model 78 All-In-One Kit

    Pool is 6,500gal

    Chlorine Residual: Right at 1ppm
    pH: 7.3ppm
    Acid Demand: Did not test as kit states if pH is above 7.8ppm
    Total Alkalinity: 30ppm

    Metals: I will have to take a sample to the store or can anyone recommend an available kit?

    How does it look?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Your TA is low and needs to come up. With that low TA, your pH is susceptible to wild pH swings. 60-80 would be much better for a SWG pool.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    You need to add your pool specs in your signature and we can offer more precise answers. The ranges you need depend on your pool type; plaster, vinyl, fiberglass.

    You need to adjust your TA up to 60-80 range, use baking soda for this. Use the pool calculator for the amount you need to add, http://www.poolcalculator.com/.

    If you want to have full control of your pool you will need a test kit that we recommend. The kit you have seems to be missing a couple of the tests. See my signature for the link to the test kits.

    Read Pool School, top right button on each page, it will be in your best interest to understanding your pool.

    Chlorine is low but it all depends on your CYA level. With a SWG you want the CYA to be 70-80.

    I would not be too worried about metals in the water to get the SWG up and running. If you are on well water to fill the pool then I suggest you to get the water tested for metals. Most pool stores should be able to test this for you. If you added something with copper in it to the water, then you will want to test for metals.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Thanks so much for the valuable comments!

    I do agree about the TA.

    The pool is plaster and I will be getting the SWG system in in about 2 weeks (ordered it this morning).

    I did put copper-based algaecide about 4 years ago.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    By the way, I am in Puerto Rico so pool supplies here are quite limited and expensive.

    I will check on the best pool store we have, see what test kits they carry and come back for opinions (if I don't find the ones already suggested).

    Thanks!
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Please add your pool details to your signature and location to your profile as described HERE as it will help us help you ... like that tidbit about being in Puerto Rico

    Since the pool supplies are expensive ... all the more reason to see if you can find the equivalent in the laundry aisle (bleach, etc) or hardware store (muriatic acid).
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Ok,

    I just added the info to my signature and am testing with this post.
    Pool: 6,500gal Plaster (Pool & Spa), Capsule Shape, 25ft x 8ft, 3ft to 5ft depth
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    Equipment: Hayward DE3620 Filter, EcoStar VS Pump, Aqua Plus Controls & SWG

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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Now please limit the length of the signature to 5 lines maximum as stated in the forum rules. Also put your location in the profile instead of the signature.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Much better now!

    Well, it is nice down here, but the heat is diabolical from July-September.
    I don't mind paying the price as long as it is the correct stuff.
    I do have access to shipping to Florida and have the items sent to me (when dealing with companies that do not ship direct to PR).

    My new SWG system should be here late next week and I want to start preparing in order to have the pool properly balanced and ready for the salt.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    You can put the salt in now so you will not have to wait for it to mix in later. Make sure you measure the salt content before you add any salt to the water as it already has some in it, but how much you will not know until it gets tested. Find a manual online to see how much salt the SWG requires.

    Do you know if there are metals in your supply water? The algaecide 4 years ago should not be of any concern now.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Thanks for all the input!

    I will check today if I can get a better Test Kit (hopefully one of the kits mentioned here). I will also Test my Tap Water as the pool gets filled with that and rain.
    Will post results here.

    Thanks!
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    Spa: 6ft diameter, 3ft deep
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    If you have a Zip Code, Dave can send you a kit. Just make sure your salt has no additives like resin cleaner or Iron cleaner. I don't know the demand for softener salt down there or how hard it will be to find. Good luck and post back for an update with the new kit.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Hi!
    Ok, the closest I could find was the K-2005 so I purchased as it should not be too far from the K-2006 (I hope).
    I must say this Taylor Kit looks WAY more complete and professional than anything I've seen before.

    Ran tap water for a minute and took a 1 cup sample.
    Tap Water Results (San Juan, PR):
    Free Chlorine = 1.5ppm
    Total Chlorine = 2.0ppm
    Combined Chlorine = 0.5ppm
    Total Bromine = 3ppm
    PH = 8.0
    Alkalinity Test = 110ppm Calcium Carbonate
    Calcium Hardness = 70ppm Calcium Carbonate

    I am currently waiting on the Pool to be running for about 1 hour to take the sample and test the Pool Water.
    Will post as soon as done.

    Thanks!

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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Bad news. The K-2005 is not what you want. You need to add the FAS-DPD chlorine test to your kit to have the equivalent of the K-2006 ... and that just happens to be the most expensive test.
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Oh Man!

    Can it be obtained separately?
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    Re: Balancing Water Before SWG Install Help

    Sure.
    Dave sells it: http://tftestkits.net/FAS-DPD-Chlorine- ... t-p47.html or I think you can find it on Amazon.
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