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    Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Hello all,

    Been lurking around for about 2 years reading all types of posts and learning everything I can about my above ground pool. But I have run into a problem that no body can solve and no matter what I try nothing helps. So I hope someone one this board with great knowledge can help.

    So here is the problem, last weekend my PH was at 6.8 so I added PH up (don't know chemical name sorry) but it was amount the label recommended. It's made by BIOGAURD. I noticed after about 2 hours my pool water started to turn cloudy, but this is where I find it interesting. The water has a blue color to it, and what I mean is when I backwash the filter the water has a light blue tint to it. I put some water in a bucket and after it sat for a half hour whatever the stuff is settled to the bottom. But as soon as I move the bucket it stirs up in the water and whatever the stuff is, it like very fine powder. I had all the chemical levels checked and everything is spot on. PH, CYA, ALK, CHLORIINE, saturation level, Calcium Hardness.

    I have tried a chemical called "powerfloc" believe I spelled it right. Label says it make chemicals heavier and cause them to sink to the bottom. Worked kinda of, let the pool sit for 24 hours according to instructions. But as soon as I went to vacuum the pool the cloudiness kicked up. So I am willing to try anything right now, I just hope I don't have to drain the pool.

    Link to chemical used to try and clear up cloudiness according to pool store.

    http://www.bioguard.com/Our_Products/Wa ... /PowerFloc

    I have had the filter running for a week straight. The heater has not been in on in over a month.

    Little info about the pool.

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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Why wouldn't you use Borax to raise your pH since you've been lurking so long? You've surely ran across several posting on BBB & Pool School? Yes?

    Test results of SPOT ON? I'm sorry but we don't know what SPOT ON is.

    We can not begin to even help you without accurate test results. Can you please post your test results? They should not include: Good, okay, high or low. We need numbers.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Where or what are you using to get your "spot on" test results ?

    We need some valid test numbers so we can help you out.


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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Have you tried a nylon on the return or in the skimmer to see if it will capture it?
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Balance Pak 200 is 100% sodium carbonate. It should dissolve easily.
    Balance Pak 300 is Calcium increaser, which can very easily cloud water.
    There might be something in the bioguard line that contains copper, which could tint things blue.

    It's really important for you to know exactly what you're putting in your pool and to know your test results. Any answers we give you will just be speculation without knowing exactly what that bioguard stuff was, what the powerfloc was, and what are your test results.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    All of the Bioguard products are grocery store items in fancy packages with an expensive pricetag. Do yourself a favor and get a good test kit, stop going to the pool store, and take control of your pool.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    I understand about the BBB method and thought about switching but until recently I have not had any problem with the store. And I only use them once or twice a year. Mainly after opening the pool and about mid summer other wise I test the water myself.

    Yes I know the Chorine is high, I shocked the pool the day before I had the water tested.
    The PH increser I added was " Balance 200"

    I provided the link for the "powerfloc", it seems to act like a clarifier. It seems to be the only thing that works somewhat. The water is now partly clear, before I could not even see the bottom of the pool. Now I can just barely can.

    I have Lamonte tester for the water

    Chemical result.

    Saturation ind. -.0.2
    CYA 100
    Total Chlorine 7.9
    Free Chlorine 7.7
    P.H 7.4
    ALk 142
    Hardness 138
    Copper 0.2
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    You said you shocked the other day. What did you use to shock ?

    With our method your shock level is 25 ppm of chlorine with a CYA of 100. Even with a CYA of 100 you need to maintain a FC level of 8-13 ppm.




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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Not to mention that when a CYA test reads 100, it is usually higher than that. All of the common CYA tests read anything over 100 as 100. I don't know if the LaMotte is different, though.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Can you put your pool info in your sig ? It helps us help you.


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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    I shocked it on Saturday and had the water tested on Sunday.

    http://www.bioguard.com/Our_Products/Ox ... hock%C2%AE
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Quote Originally Posted by jwsullivan1999
    I shocked it on Saturday and had the water tested on Sunday.

    http://www.bioguard.com/Our_Products/Ox ... hock%C2%AE
    I suspect that stuff might have your water out of whack. One thing is your CYA is why too high.

    If you would like to switch over to our methods you need to lower the CYA by draining replacing some water to get that CYA into an acceptable range.

    Liquid chlorine "bleach" is the way to go.


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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Ok, but if drain it, how do I get the blue fine powder out? I understand that because of the chemicals I added that the water is out of whack. But, I can't seem to get the powder out.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Quote Originally Posted by jwsullivan1999
    Ok, but if drain it, how do I get the blue fine powder out? I understand that because of the chemicals I added that the water is out of whack. But, I can't seem to get the powder out.
    Perhaps a manual pool vacuum?

    Is there any slope to your yard? Some people have done a vacuum to waste using a siphon. If there's somewhere lower than the pool, it would be worthwhile to rig something up. Essentially you'd be draining half the water from the bottom.

    If you choose instead to drain it all, a wet-and-dry shop vacuum will pick it up when the water is down to the last few inches. .
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Quote Originally Posted by jwsullivan1999
    I shocked it on Saturday and had the water tested on Sunday.

    http://www.bioguard.com/Our_Products/Ox ... hock%C2%AE

    Putting a product in your pool called shock is not shocking your pool. Shocking your pool is a process of maintaining chlorine level high enough (depending on your CYA #) long enough to clear pool. Passing the 3 tests
    1. Clear water
    2. Passing OCLT
    3. CC is < .5

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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    Quote Originally Posted by jwsullivan1999
    Ok, but if drain it, how do I get the blue fine powder out? I understand that because of the chemicals I added that the water is out of whack. But, I can't seem to get the powder out.
    Perhaps a manual pool vacuum?

    Is there any slope to your yard? Some people have done a vacuum to waste using a siphon. If there's somewhere lower than the pool, it would be worthwhile to rig something up. Essentially you'd be draining half the water from the bottom.

    If you choose instead to drain it all, a wet-and-dry shop vacuum will pick it up when the water is down to the last few inches. .
    I like the idea of siphoning out the bottoming of pool, my yard is all the same level as the pool. You think it would work if let the stuff settle and used a sump pump and pumped it out?

    One more questions if I did have to drain to the pool, it would not damage the liner by draining all the water out would it? I thought I read somewhere that the liner could possibly pop out if you drain to much water out.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    You want to leave at least a foot of water in the pool, I believe.
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    Re: Nee Help POOL CLOUDY with blue powder

    Ok, need a little more help. I am draining the water out of the pool. I will leave about 1 foot in the bottom. But how do you get the pool clean and what can you clean it with?
    Also I am going to replace the sand because something said check it out and there was blue crystals sitting on top of the sand inside the filter. Don't know what they are from, but I am going to replace the sand.

    I thank every one of you guys for your quick response to my questions. It stinks I had to go this far. But lesson learned. I will be switching to the BBB method.
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