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    Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Hi, I have been reading on the forum for several months now - prior to and now as we are under construction on gunite pool in Austin, Texas. Due to being on steep lot, much of the pool is elevated above ground (all coping is between 1 to 4 feet above ground) and deck is level with pool - so no flower beds to put speakers in. Also, our deck is travertine pavers, set over a concrete base.

    I have a Sonos system to power 2 pairs of speakers around the pool and we are running conduit for wire under the deck to each speaker location. However, I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out type of speakers and how to 'stub out' the termination of the conduit.

    There are two 'sitting areas' in the deck plan and one pair of speakers will go to each area. One will have rock privacy wall on two sides and the other has a 4' iron fence, basically in a semicircle around area. I prefer a 'clean' look and would love the look of the Bose round in ground domes, but the omni-directional speakers are a non-starter.

    My current 'best' idea is rock speakers on deck, the small Niles are fairly low profile and have good reviews. (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_190RS5PCW/ ... tml?tp=188)

    Option two is to get small wall mount speakers and to put on the wall in area one and on rail in area two, but I think my wall will be solid, so I would have vertical runs of wire from deck to speaker in all four locations. Also not sure how sturdy speakers would be on rails. Here are some Niles I have considered for this: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_190OS53W/N ... tml?tp=188

    For either option, I have no idea on how to stub out the termination in the deck and PB doesn't really have a suggestion, although he did say there is now a 4" pour-a-lid available, so I was thinking that with a hole drilled through might work. Particularly if I go with option one (rock speakers) I need some way to conceal and protect wire/connections.

    I have not found any good pictures or descriptions of either setup, so I would love to hear suggestions or experiences with similar setups! Thanks!

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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    I would say a weather proof electrical box. Then you could buy the hook ups for the box etc....

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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Quote Originally Posted by Telnet64
    Hi, I have been reading on the forum for several months now - prior to and now as we are under construction on gunite pool in Austin, Texas. Due to being on steep lot, much of the pool is elevated above ground (all coping is between 1 to 4 feet above ground) and deck is level with pool - so no flower beds to put speakers in. Also, our deck is travertine pavers, set over a concrete base.

    I have a Sonos system to power 2 pairs of speakers around the pool and we are running conduit for wire under the deck to each speaker location. However, I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out type of speakers and how to 'stub out' the termination of the conduit.

    There are two 'sitting areas' in the deck plan and one pair of speakers will go to each area. One will have rock privacy wall on two sides and the other has a 4' iron fence, basically in a semicircle around area. I prefer a 'clean' look and would love the look of the Bose round in ground domes, but the omni-directional speakers are a non-starter.

    My current 'best' idea is rock speakers on deck, the small Niles are fairly low profile and have good reviews. (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_190RS5PCW/ ... tml?tp=188)

    Option two is to get small wall mount speakers and to put on the wall in area one and on rail in area two, but I think my wall will be solid, so I would have vertical runs of wire from deck to speaker in all four locations. Also not sure how sturdy speakers would be on rails. Here are some Niles I have considered for this: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_190OS53W/N ... tml?tp=188

    For either option, I have no idea on how to stub out the termination in the deck and PB doesn't really have a suggestion, although he did say there is now a 4" pour-a-lid available, so I was thinking that with a hole drilled through might work. Particularly if I go with option one (rock speakers) I need some way to conceal and protect wire/connections.

    I have not found any good pictures or descriptions of either setup, so I would love to hear suggestions or experiences with similar setups! Thanks!

    ps: I have my TFT-100 kit and Stenner Pump/15 gal tank ready to go!

    Some pics would be helpful. If you're using outdoor rated direct burial cable there's no reason it needs to be in conduit other than for protection or through a chase.

    Omni speakers are inefficient, IMO you can do better. If you go with rock speakers you'll make the connection to the pigtail cable on the rock with silicone filled wire nuts.

    I have some pics of a recent install which may give you other ideas.

    But like I said, a few pics would be helpful.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Thanks for the comments. I don't have pics as those areas aren't even formed yet (maybe this week, or definitely early next week). I'm using direct burial rated cables, but the wire will be under deck, so need conduit in case ever need to replace. I have seen the silicone filled connectors for outdoor use and plan on using them.

    With rock speakers in flower bed it's easy to conceal connectors and excess cable under them. Not so easy with travertine pavers, hence the idea for the 4" pour-a-lid.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    What are the joints between pavers going to be like?

    Could you have a paver that lifts out exposing a "trap door" at speaker location. You could drill holes through the pavers for wires and to lift it out of its spot.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Harleysilo, that's an interesting idea and similar to what I was thinking of doing with the pour-a-lid. In Texas, the builders pour concrete and thin set the pavers to the concrete.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    I've seen pour a lids before, with some carefully saw work you could cut a circle out of travertine, and thinset that in the pour-a-lid, assuming its not to thick.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Yes, that's what my PB does. In my OP, I mentioned my current plan is rock speakers using these 4" lids with a hole drilled through for wires. Just making sure no better ideas available. It's amazing that I haven't been able to find anything even suggesting this after searching web and forums exhaustively.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Have you tried John Bridge tile forum yet?
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    No, I haven't heard of that. Will check it out now! Thx!
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    That's the go to forum for all things tile. Post up there and I'd ask about expansion joints on your patio, they are needed to prevent pop ups or tenting down the road.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Sorry to hit this old thread. Did you ever find your solution? Please consider sharing.

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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Quote Originally Posted by txnole View Post
    Sorry to hit this old thread. Did you ever find your solution? Please consider sharing.
    I think with today's technology I would be looking at Bluetooth speakers.
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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Thank you. I was specifically interested in the OP's plan to run wire up/through his tile. Sonos and other products are, IMO, vastly superior to Bluetooth, not to mention the wide variety of options with outdoor speakers.

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    Re: Speakers for travertine paver pool deck?

    Quote Originally Posted by txnole View Post
    Thank you. I was specifically interested in the OP's plan to run wire up/through his tile. Sonos and other products are, IMO, vastly superior to Bluetooth, not to mention the wide variety of options with outdoor speakers.
    I'm not arguing about hardwire should be better than Bluetooth but I got a couple of UE Booms and they're not too shabby
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