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    High TA and TH

    I tested using the hth 6-way test:

    cl .5
    pH 7.5
    TH 530 ppm
    TA 400 ppm ...I stopped at 40 drops of the alkalinity titrant when I saw a red swirl but the water never turned completely red
    cya ? ...per the test "fill tube until you can no longer see the black dot" ...I filled it all the way and could still see the dot and my water was not cloudy
    Indianapolis IN; 3800 gal.; cartridge; AG; vinyl; not sure of the size pump, came with the Summer Escapes quick set ring pool

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    Re: High TA and TH

    If you haven't added any stabilizer - and that includes using pucks or dichlor powdered "shock" - you won't see any CYA in the test. It's not present in tap water.

    The alkalinity seems amazingly high with pH normal like that. But it's not a priority; it's really just there to help you calculate the acid dose to adjust pH.

    You need to add some CYA and then raise FC to the proper level for that. For a small pool like yours, three pounds of dichlor would raise the CYA to about 50. But don't add it all at once. Use it to chlorinate, about 1/4 cup at a time until it's all used up, then switch to bleach. http://www.poolcalculator.com/ will actually tell you how much to add precisely.

    If you do go buy dichlor, it's usually sold as "shock". However, there is more than one kind of shock, so READ THE LABEL.
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    Re: High TA and TH

    Your chlorine will burn up pretty fast without CYA. If you want to add it use the Pool calculator to determine how much you need, place it in a sock and hang it in front of the return outlet. Give the sock a good squeeze or two a few times a day until it is all dissolved.

    I am concerned that your TH is so high. Have you been using calcium hypochlorite to chlorinate your pool?

    You do have high TA, if the test result is accurate. Since it was starting to flash red you where likely within a few drops of the endpoint of the test. I am only concerned when TA is high if Calcium is high as well, or if the pH rises quickly.
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    Re: High TA and TH

    I have only added one puck, hth Super 3" chloranating tablets. I shocked one time using hth shock 'n swim. I have hth stabilizer & conditioner, is it ok to use that to bring up the cya?

    I don't understand why the TA is so high yet the ph is ok? I am using well water, so I guess that has something to do with the TA and TH.

    Since it is just a small pool, I guess I'll be fine as long as my chlorine and ph stay at good levels.
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    Re: High TA and TH

    Be careful with the HTH chlorine products. I believe some of them have copper. As far as stabilizer, yes, HTH stabilizer is fine. Since your pool is so small, if something starts to go wrong, you could easily just drain and refill.
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    Also, if I use the hth stabilizer to bring up the cya, it says I have to wait 2 days before entering the pool. Is that correct? It says it is 96% cyanuric acid. Should I use something else?
    Indianapolis IN; 3800 gal.; cartridge; AG; vinyl; not sure of the size pump, came with the Summer Escapes quick set ring pool

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    Re: High TA and TH

    It's fine to be in the pool with the stabilizer. Put however much you need in a sock and tie it in front of a return. If you get a CYA test, wait a week after adding to test. However, chlorinate assuming it is all dissolved and active.
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    Re: High TA and TH

    Quote Originally Posted by inindy
    Also, if I use the hth stabilizer to bring up the cya, it says I have to wait 2 days before entering the pool. Is that correct? It says it is 96% cyanuric acid. Should I use something else?
    That's the good stuff. Okay to use.
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