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    Review my plan

    In preparation for filling my new pool, I am trying to document the startup process

    First, the numbers for my fill water. No iron or copper in the fill.

    alkalinity - 350
    calcium - 20
    ph - 6.8

    After filling these are my targets

    FC - 24 (need to add 11 96oz bottles of 6% bleach)
    CYA - 60 (I need to add 176oz of stabilizer)
    PH - 7.5 (target here due to TA being high) (add 821oz of borax)
    CH - not thinking about this yet.
    Salt - 3200 (add 600lbs of salt)
    Borates - not thinking about this yet.

    My questions are

    1. Do I wait until the pool is full to start adding chemicals or should I add some as it fills?
    2. Do I dose at suggested levels immediately or dose at half, check and dose more as needed?
    3. Is there any order at which to dose, ie salt first, then bleach, then stablizer, then borax?
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    Re: Review my plan

    Slow down. You do not want to try to do everything at the same time.

    Fill the pool and then test it.

    You do not want to raise the FC that high with 0ppm of CYA in the water. Just put 2ppm of FC in the pool and start adding CYA.
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    Re: Review my plan

    Slow down! There's no need to shock with fresh clear water.

    If you set it up to fill with the hose splattering the surface rather than submerged, it will be noisy, but it will also aerate and probably raise pH some at zero expense.While you fill!

    Get the pump circulating and be sure there's no leakage. Then add 2 ppm chlorine, see if pH needs raising after half an hour or so of circulating. The CYA can get tied up and suspended any time there. You'll be losing a lot of FC initially because of no CYA in the water, so keep close tabs on it. Just keep checking pH and FC and keep them adjusted and raise FC after the CYA is noticeably dissolved.

    Borates are entirely optional, some of us never use them.

    Get things balanced using bleach, then add salt, then fire off SWG. Check out the highlighted post here, if you have kids.
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    And once you start thinking about CH remember rainwater is your friend.
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    Wow, glad I posted!

    I just thought I needed to shock it initially.

    Why do I target FC = 2? If im using the pool calculator properly, it says 4 and CYA of 60.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgumby
    Wow, glad I posted!

    I just thought I needed to shock it initially.

    Why do I target FC = 2? If im using the pool calculator properly, it says 4 and CYA of 60.
    Because the CYA doesn't dissolve right away. Your initial reading on CYA will be zero. Therefore, FC has to be lower. Unless you like white bathing suits with rotten elastic.

    Were you planning on spending the extra for liquid stabilizer? If that's the case, CYA will be up to 60 within minutes and you can follow the pool calculator from the get-go.
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    Re: Review my plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320
    Quote Originally Posted by ssgumby
    Wow, glad I posted!

    I just thought I needed to shock it initially.

    Why do I target FC = 2? If im using the pool calculator properly, it says 4 and CYA of 60.
    Because the CYA doesn't dissolve right away. Your initial reading on CYA will be zero. Therefore, FC has to be lower. Unless you like white bathing suits with rotten elastic.

    Were you planning on spending the extra for liquid stabilizer? If that's the case, CYA will be up to 60 within minutes and you can follow the pool calculator from the get-go.
    Yes, ill get liquid stabilizer. Is there a name brand that is best?

    I just really want to start off right so im trying hard to plan it out, and I VERY much appreciate this site and the advice!
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    Re: Review my plan

    All brands are about the same just make sure it is 100% cya / satilizer....check prices for the best deal
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    You could also add enough liquid stabilizer to get you to 30 ppm and then add the rest in granular form and save some money but always make sure the pump is running whenever you add chemicals to your pool.
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    ok, after looking at liquid stabilizers I think I WONT be using them ha ha. If im using the pool calculator right it is telling me to go from 0 to 60 I would need 4,567 ounces!!! To get that I estimate I would have over $1000 in stabilizer! crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgumby
    ok, after looking at liquid stabilizers I think I WONT be using them ha ha. If im using the pool calculator right it is telling me to go from 0 to 60 I would need 4,567 ounces!!! To get that I estimate I would have over $1000 in stabilizer! crazy
    Better check your math or a typo in the calculator. That's about 10X as much as I would expect.

    If you make mistakes like that with all the chemicals, you"ll never ever get the pool balanced.
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    Re: Review my plan

    doh, the volume of my pool is 22,000 ... the pool calculator had an exta 0 So it was calculating 220,000.

    No worries, I wont add anything without checking and confirming! Ive run through this many time so far. Hope to start the fill by thursday.
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    Re: Review my plan

    Just up it to 30 to start. Once it's dissolved it's in there working. Often all mine takes a day or so to dissolve. It's best to sneak up on this level anyways, as reading the test at first can be tricky.

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    Just a small tip for you if you have a water meter that you can read, take the reading before adding the water and after so you will know exactly how many gallons the pool holds.
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