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    Coffee anyone?

    FC (i shocked yesterday w/ 2 gallons of 6% bleach, so while trying to read today, i just kept adding drop after drop of chlorine test and color didn't change so i stopped, felt like i was just wasting my reagents)
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    Filled from a well, pool was clear, but had fine dirt/silt on bottom of pool. After raising ph and shocking the pool turned this beautiful chocolate/coffee brown. I've read the http://www.troublefreepool.com/pool-...metal%20stains and paying $200+ for 5,000 gallons of water seems pricey to me. I have read lots of mentioning of something called 'floc' or 'floccing'...i was hoping to get more detail on this or what my next steps should be. I'm not even 100% sure its iron/metals that are the issue here.


    while filling the pool - http://i.imgur.com/q8i83bI.jpg

    after raising ph and shocking - http://i.imgur.com/MCngo6u.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yoy08fU.jpg

    I realize that the pool looks totally out of level but its actually only about 1"
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    That sure looks like metals to me. If you keep the water you'll be destined to maintain sequestrant in the pool for as long as you have it.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    So youtube videos of using kitty litter to filter or special tablets to catch the iron in my sand filter will never work?

    http://www.amazon.com/Ask-the-Pool-Guy- ... B00AO8OB4E


    Whats my next step in using sequestrant? Is this easily purchased at wally world?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    I wouldn't count on that. Removing iron from water is not an easy thing to do without some very specific chemistry and equipment.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    So is the sequestrant going to remove the brown color and make my water clear or is just going to prevent staining of the pool? I'm reading contradicting things and a little confused.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Sequestrants will keep the metals from depositing as stains. They will not remove the metals from the water. You will need to add sequestrant periodically to keep the metals bound and prevent them from depositing as stains.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by BoDarville
    Sequestrants will keep the metals from depositing as stains. They will not remove the metals from the water. You will need to add sequestrant periodically to keep the metals bound and prevent them from depositing as stains.

    So the pool will stay brown?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    No. It won't stay brown. Because if it did, many people here who fill their pools on wells probably wouldn't have a pool and spend all that money to swim in a brown/coffee colored water. I know I wouldn't. Unless it really was full of coffee n then I would just pimp my pool out to the working class!

    You just need to add the sequesterant and maintain it.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    I am going to change the direction of the thread just a bit. That looks like dirt to me. If it is, you can filter and vacuum and that will go away.

    You should have your well water (not your pool water) tested for iron content and let us know the result. If the result is .3 ppm or less, you can perhaps safely assume that you have sucked up a lot of dirt from your well water.

    Do you have a whole hose filter on your water? Does it get filled with dirt often? Do you happen to know the GPM capacity of your well?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casey
    No. It won't stay brown. Because if it did, many people here who fill their pools on wells probably wouldn't have a pool and spend all that money to swim in a brown/coffee colored water. I know I wouldn't. Unless it really was full of coffee n then I would just pimp my pool out to the working class!

    You just need to add the sequesterant and maintain it.

    Could you recommend a brand of sequestrant? When I google the term I just get a bunch of info about a food additive.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh
    I am going to change the direction of the thread just a bit. That looks like dirt to me. If it is, you can filter and vacuum and that will go away.

    You should have your well water (not your pool water) tested for iron content and let us know the result. If the result is .3 ppm or less, you can perhaps safely assume that you have sucked up a lot of dirt from your well water.

    Do you have a whole hose filter on your water? Does it get filled with dirt often? Do you happen to know the GPM capacity of your well?

    There was definitely a looooot of dirty, sandy, silty stuff at the bottom...and when i filled i used three tube socks tied to my water hose. They turned muddy/brown.

    Can you recommend a way to test my water for iron? Our previous homeowner had a whole house filter/water softener installed but i disconnected it. I paid a company in durham to come out and show me how to operate it, but instead of teaching me anything he just "fixed it" and left...i literally had to beat info out of him. So instead of damaging what is probably thousands of dollars in equipment, i bypassed it all until i can find the help/info i need....speaking of which, is there a subform in here that could show me in dummy terms what kind of stuff i have?

    I tied a bolt to a string and dropped it in my well last week while filling the pool to measure depth. I'm about 20-23' feet deep...yeah, you read that right. and the water level was about half of that. I timed how long it took to fill a gallon jug at an outside faucet and measured 6 gallons per minute...yup, only took 10 seconds to fill that jug. I did install a new pressure pump last year because the old one had numerous leaks.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Can you recommend a way to test my water for iron?
    Either purchase your own iron test ($55) or take a sample to a pool store and hope for meaningful results. You really need to identify whether or not you have significant iron in your water before you can go much further.

    1. Your well is a LOT deeper than 20'.

    2. The capacity of your well is unrelated to how fast it comes out of the hose. I think there is a good chance you exceeded the capacity of your well when filling.....you sucked it dry. When you do that, the resultant turbulence down at the pump brings a lot of dirt up from the bottom and, since you bypassed your filter, deposited it in your pool

    Can't help with your equipment on this forum....we discuss pools but no real experts on wells that I know of.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    What leads you to believe my well is deeper than 20'?
    Will local pool stores charge to check water for iron? Seems cheaper to just assume i have metals in water?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Unless you have a large diameter 24" or so opening (a cistern) most wells in the area are 200 feet or so....just guessing yours probably is, too.

    If you choose to presume you have metals, that's fine. You will then need to follow the above posts suggesting the use of sequestrants......that won't be cheaper for very long but that's your call.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Its a bored well. I can take the lid off and see the water....almost touch it. Old school stuff lol

    Im going to go back home and continue to vacuum until i can get up to capital pools and have them test my water.

    Ive stopped backwashing for a week because i put in cya.....can i cheat on this rule and check cya in a week or two and adjust accordingly?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    If your CYA has been in a week it is fully dissolved and you can backwash.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Leslie pools said i had no iron in my water.

    Its been 24 hrs since i added cya....can i cheat and backwash now?
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    can i cheat and backwash now?
    No, you will lose 50% or more of it.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    You were correct....it was simply dirt. Got hone from the pool store and rhe water was clear.....the pump kicked off....everything settled to the botton and i vacuumed to filter. I did however go against your advice and backwash.....dark red clay water came out.....it was unbeleivable....wish i had pictures.

    Ill have to recheck cya next week and readjust.
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    Re: Coffee anyone?

    Just thought I'd send a picture of what the water looks like now...

    This was 8am http://i.imgur.com/MCngo6u.jpg

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    This was 7pm (same day ) http://i.imgur.com/I43AMfe.jpg
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