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    First time pool owner

    Hello
    I just bought a house that has an above ground pool. It hasn't been used for two seasons. It was obviously closed properly. Pump was taken off and put in shed. Cover was on but one side slipped free so water in it is pretty green and has some leaves in it. Not too bad tho. I have since put everything back together and everything seems to be working just fine (filter, pump, skimmer, etc.) I have been running filter for the past three days and everything looks pretty good. Yesterday I took a water sample to the pool store and these were the numbers:

    Free chlorine 0.1 ppm
    Total chlorine 0.1 ppm
    Combined chlorine 0 ppm
    pH 6.8
    Hardness 3 ppm
    Alkalinity 88 ppm
    Cyanuric acid 2 ppm
    Copper 0 ppm
    Iron 0 ppm
    Borate 0 ppm

    The pool is round 18' and 52" depth. Approx. 8200 gallons. Their recommendation is 1 lb of shock (granular), 4 lbs of sodium bicarbonate and 20 lbs calcium chloride. I have been reading the BBB method on here and seems to be the most logical way to go but just need help in going about it the right way. Should I do the pool store's recommendation to start of or what? I see a lot of very knowledgeable people here and I hope I can get some help. I have since bought a K-2005 test kit but have not used it yet. Thank you
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Welcome to the forum. Your first best step would be to return the K-2005 and purchase a K-2006 or TF-100. They are the only kits that contain the FAS/DPD chlorine test that is so essential in what we teach.

    The pool store tests are pretty worthless so let us know if you can get the correct kit. There's a workaround with the K-2005 if you CAN NOT return it.
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    Re: First time pool owner

    Ok thanks. Can you tell me why the 2005 isn't good enough. Just for future reference
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Quote Originally Posted by anton
    Ok thanks. Can you tell me why the 2005 isn't good enough. Just for future reference
    No FAS-DPD chlorine test. pool-school/pool_test_kit_comparison
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    Thanks for the quick reply. I never even saw that comparison link. I'll try to return this today. Is there anything I should be doing to the pool while I wait for the other test kit. Filter has been running and I have been scrubbing and skimming a lot of algae.
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Hello again,

    First of I would just like to say this is one of the best sites I've ever come across in regard to taking care of your pool. I' ve learned a lot but I'm sure not enough. So with that said, I have since returned the K-2005 test kit and opted for the TF-100. Hopefully, it will come today.
    In the meantime, what should I do or prepare for when the test kit comes? I want to hit the ground running on this and I was wondering what I should have on hand (ballpark). I know lots of bleach and what else? My pool was a green swamp when I opened it last week. Since then, I have had the filter going 24/7 (with lots of backwashing and rinsing). Went to the pool store before I stumbled across this site. I have put in 1 lb of calcium hypo (Shock 73) and 4 lbs of sodium bicarbonate. I have also been cleaning, skimming, brushing, raking everyday and I pretty much got most of the gunk out except for some fine gunk on bottom (it comes up when I brush). The pool has now become blue with a slight tinge of green. Yesterday I put in 1 gallon of 8.25 bleach. Also trying to learn the Poolcalc. Is there anything else I should be doing?
    There is a wealth of knowledge here and I'm glad I found this site
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Quote Originally Posted by anton
    Hello again,

    First of I would just like to say this is one of the best sites I've ever come across in regard to taking care of your pool. I' ve learned a lot but I'm sure not enough. So with that said, I have since returned the K-2005 test kit and opted for the TF-100. Hopefully, it will come today.
    In the meantime, what should I do or prepare for when the test kit comes? I want to hit the ground running on this and I was wondering what I should have on hand (ballpark). I know lots of bleach and what else? My pool was a green swamp when I opened it last week. Since then, I have had the filter going 24/7 (with lots of backwashing and rinsing). Went to the pool store before I stumbled across this site. I have put in 1 lb of calcium hypo (Shock 73) and 4 lbs of sodium bicarbonate. I have also been cleaning, skimming, brushing, raking everyday and I pretty much got most of the gunk out except for some fine gunk on bottom (it comes up when I brush). The pool has now become blue with a slight tinge of green. Yesterday I put in 1 gallon of 8.25 bleach. Also trying to learn the Poolcalc. Is there anything else I should be doing?
    There is a wealth of knowledge here and I'm glad I found this site
    All you can do is stockpile bleach. Spread out the back strain a little over time.
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    Re: First time pool owner

    How much you think? Right now I've got 20 gallons
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Quote Originally Posted by anton
    How much you think? Right now I've got 20 gallons
    I haven't got a clue. There's no way to know how tough a strain of algae you have.

    Tell you what - if I could see the future, I'd be playing the high stakes tables in Vegas!
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    Welcome to tfp, anton

    Hopefully you should have your kit soon (duraleigh has fast shipping)...let us know when you get your first results!
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Yes test kit finally arrived. Here are the results as follows:

    FC- 0
    TC - .5
    CC - .5
    PH - 8
    TA - 210
    CH - 17
    CYA - 0

    Trying to figure out pool calculator and cya/chlorine chart. How do I figure out my shock level when my cya is 0. The chart only goes down to 20. Also how do I get my target figures for the poolcalc. Sorry if these are stupid questions but please bear with me Where to begin...
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Quote Originally Posted by anton
    Yes test kit finally arrived. Here are the results as follows:

    FC- 0
    TC - .5
    CC - .5
    PH - 8
    TA - 210
    CH - 17
    CYA - 0

    Trying to figure out pool calculator and cya/chlorine chart. How do I figure out my shock level when my cya is 0. The chart only goes down to 20. Also how do I get my target figures for the poolcalc. Sorry if these are stupid questions but please bear with me Where to begin...
    Is the CH a typo?

    Here's what you do:
    Scroll waaaay down on pool calculator to the last yellow box and select vinyl/bleach/troublefreepools and it will put target values in for you. Back at the top, put the size of your pool.

    First, add acid to lower pH. While that is mixing, weigh out enough CYA to get you to 30 and pour it in an old sock or a nylon and hang it in front of the return stream. By the time you're done messing with that, pH should be fixed. Double check it, and readjust if necessary. Get it right now, because you won't be testing it again for a while. Once the pH is about 7.4 - 7.5, it's bleach time!

    Shock level for 30 CYA is 12. That's your target. Keep FC there until the water is clear, the CC is .5 or less, and the overnight test passes. You've got plenty of time to read up on that test while the green is going away.

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    Re: First time pool owner

    There are no stupid questions.

    You should focus on the shocking process until you pass the three criteria in that pool school article.

    Before dosing with chlorine, lower you ph down to about 7.2 using Muriatic Acid.

    Then start getting about 20-30 ppm cya in to the water using an old sock hung in front of a pool return.

    Your shocking level (per the suggested levels section in the poolcalculator.com) is 10 ppm FC for 0 ppm cya.
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    Add enough CYA to raise it to 30 ppm, about 2 lbs worth. Suspend it in a sock next to a return and give the sock a squeeze every now and then.

    Lower the pH to 7.2 to begin the shock process and you don't have to measure this again until the process is complete.

    Target the FC to be 10 ppm until the CYA dissolves and then raise the target 13 ppm.

    Follow the shock process until you pass all three requirements. After the water is clear you can then work on the TA and other parameters. We can help you with the target figures for now, but with enough "Pool Schooling" you will find the answers in there.
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    Thank you very much for the replies. The acid is the only thing I don't have. Will get it first thing tomorrow. Can I go ahead and do the stabilizer and do the pH tomorrow or do I have to take care of pH first? Poolcalc says 22 oz of acid and 2 lbs 1 oz for stabilizer. Just making sure...

    CH I think was 170. Forgot to multiply it by 10...does that sound right? Is that essential right now or can I deal with that later?
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Since you have an agp, don't worry about low CH.

    You can start the cya right now and do ph tomorrow. If your FC is above 10 ppm, the ph test is not valid.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Thank you much. Doing that now...will check back in again tomorrow.
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    Re: First time pool owner

    How long do I wait to check pH after I put in acid? I read on here the test is unreliable till after a week. And do I wait for the stabilizer to completely dissolve, check reading and start shock process? Been squeezing the sock and its almost dissolved.

    Do I just pour required of muriatic acid in front of return?
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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    You can check ph 1 hour after changing it (leaving the pump run). The acid you use to adjust ph is Muriatic Acid.

    It is when you add granular cya (cyanuric acid) that i can take up to a week to show up in the cya test. Cyanuric acid is effectively very close to being ph neutral.

    Quote Originally Posted by anton
    Do I just pour required of muriatic acid in front of return?
    Yes, slowly in front of the return.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: First time pool owner

    Okay, stabilizer is cya right? I put that in last night per the pool calculator. That was granular. So I don't have to check the reading on that before I start the shock process?
    18x52 Above ground pool, approx 7300 gal, vinyl, Hayward sand filter I think, 1 hp Utilitech pump, 1 speed

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