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    New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    I apologize in advance for this being long, I'm just being detailed. The more suggestions/info I can get, the better it will help me out.

    Hi, my name is Shannon and I'm a first-time home owner. I bought a house last June and moved in, in the middle of August last year (2012). The house came with an inground ROUND 24 foot swimming pool -- with a 6ft depth in the middle. Yes, it's ROUND, completely circle in shape. Nobody in my city knows anything about it, I've called 6 companies so far and I'm not getting any help or advice on what I should do about this pool. Most companies just argue with me over the shape. I'm pretty sure I know what a circle is. This pool is my luxury for the year. I don't go on vacations, I rarely take days off work, I don't get my nails/hair done, I don't own a car... so this is my luxury for the summer and it's currently a giant hole in the ground, that kind of smells LOL From what I've been told by the previous owners (whether it's true or not), the pool is at least 30 years old and concrete, may have been designed by an American. That hasn't been confirmed yet. I have no idea what is behind the liner. Also from what I've been told, there has always been a liner in the pool.

    First of all, I never got to use the pool when I moved in. I waited 60 days to move in, was promised by the previous owners they would continue to maintain the pool (chemicals, maintenance etc) and they DID NOT!! The day I got the keys, the pool was green, it was dirty and the pump & filter were not running and hadn't been running for at least a week or more. Come to find out, they took the extention cord to the pump. Why they felt they needed a $20 cord is beyond me, plus, I was told ALL equipment was staying -- I believe an extention cord to work the pump should've stayed. So, I bought the chemicals I needed, bought a new extention cord and plugged everything up. Everything seemed to be okay but apon looking at the filter, there was an extra hose at the bottom -- I know from experience (I had a pool when I lived with my parents during my teenage years), that that hose wasn't suppose to be there and why is it there? I later found out, when I touched it, it was holding a leak from the drain-out at the bottom. So, they attached a hose and a clamp to stop the leak. The minute I touched the hose to move it, it fell off and water/sand everywhere. I had to turn the filter & pump off again to have it repaired. Epoxy clay seems to have worked for now, it still needs work to put a new plug in. At this point, I still haven't been in the pool. About afew days later, I noticed that when the pump was running for a long time, it would kick out the whole power in the house and stop working -- so now there's a problem with the pump. It eventually, just died and killed my electricity in the backyard. So, now I don't have a working pump and don't have electricity in the yard. At this point, the weather has now changed, it's not in the 90's anymore, it's dropped to the 70's and I've been trying to get this pool going for 2 weeks now. Leaves/sticks are starting to fall into the pool too much, clogging the skimmer. It's no longer summer. I eventually just gave up.

    Closing the pool
    I didn't find it very hard to close the pool, I watched count-less YOU TUBE videos to get an idea on how to close it properly so I wouldn't have too many troubles come May/June next year. The winter cover was also in horrible shape but at this point, I have already spent hundreds of dollars on the pool (water, electricity, chemicals, fixing the filter, having to find a replacement pump and running the electricity into the house, just to close the pool), I wasn't prepared to purchase a new cover as well. My dad and I patched it up the best we could but it wasn't even the proper winter cover for the pool I had. They had purchased an above ground cover for an inground pool. But the cables on the cover were completely useless to me. Now to mention, I have 24 feet to cover and they had 3 water bags to hold the cover down!!! We did the best we could, we used the bags in the areas where we knew the wind would blow the most and tied down the rest of the cover to the bottom of the fence posts around the whole yard and used heavy bricks/rocks to hold down the rest. I knew I'd be lucky if the cover lasted the winter.

    Late March 2013 -- cover finally gave out and fell into the pool. The weight of the dead leaves/sticks and melting ice had sent the cover into the pool. All that dead debris fell into the pool too. I knew it wasn't going to be a fun clean up come May/June and it wasn't -- smelt horrible.

    Early May 2013 -- While down in the middle of my swamp, I come to find out that the liner has 2 patch marks -- previous leaks/holes I wasn't told about from the previous owners. The one patch mark is right where the drop in ladder goes, it appears the ladder may have punctured the liner from excessive weight of going in and out of the pool -- maybe it knocks against the sides? That patch seems to be okay, it's still holding on, doesn't seem to be lifting up at all, I don't seem bubbles coming out of it either. The other patch is where the jet is, the opposite side of the pool -- that patch was in question, it appeared to be coming off, it's clear, so I'm not sure if it's a true pool patch or not (I'm guess it's not, I doubt the previous owners even cared, since they hadn't bothered to tell me). It's around the whole jet. There was also water under the liner in the middle, where it's slopped to 6ft in the center. So I wasn't sure if it was ground water or an actual leak somewhere in the liner as both patches are still on and I can't see anymore holes/rips/tears. The liner also seems "small", seems to have shrunk. It's very tight but still in the beading, it hasn't popped out anywhere. I'm not exactly sure how old it is, but besides the patch marks, it seems to be in good shape, colour is still nice, not much fading except for the very top where water doesn't go (border area). The liner is held in by a bead track, that I know for sure and again, the liner is still attached.

    May 30th -- the patch where the jet is, has RIPPED. The liner now has a giant hole and I know now that it will have to be replaced, not just patched. It's a big hole. The hole is bigger than my hand, so we're talking a good 5-6 inches. I still can't see what is behind the liner -- looks like concrete, but may be steel, it's a hard material, it's alittle shiny but it could just be a reflection from the water/sun hitting it. I will most likely have to drain the whole pool now, knowning the liner needs to be replaced anyways.

    Now, my question is:

    What kind of liner?
    Since most companies I have called can't answer my questions and I'm getting the run around from others, I thought I'd ask here.

    I've heard of expandable liners that go to a depth of 72" but they don't make them for inground round swimming pools (because no body has a round inground swimming pool), they're made for above ground pools. I can find one online (about $400-$500) that I need -- 24'ft round, 72" depth and beaded but will that work in my inground pool? Should I add padding to the ground, sides of the pool once the old liner is ripped out, for added protection? If my pool is 24ft round, would a 26/27ft round liner work as well -- what about the extra 2-3 feet, would that account for the extra I would need in the deep end? (I'm just curious). Expandable liners don't come with much colour/design options and if I'm going to spend hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars on my pool, I want a liner that looks nice for years as I'll be looking at it for years.

    If the pool turns out to be full concrete, can I epoxy paint it? I would most likely have a professional do that for me as I am not able to. But I've heard negative and positive reviews on this process. Most negative reviews have been chalking, chipping of the paint after 1 year. It's not something I'd want to have to do every year (re-epoxy).

    I just want to be able to enjoy my swimming pool this year, so if I can't get it up and running in the next few weeks, maybe a month, there is no point at all. Here in Canada, we only get July & August (if that) for swimming weather.

    Also, would you recommond the LOOP-LOC winter/safety cover? I'm very interested in it come fall, but again, I most likely would need a custom order cover as my pool is round or purchase a square cover (30 X 30).

    Thank you again, for all the suggestions, advice, it's much appreciated.
    PS: I'll try posting pictures for everyone to see my amazing ROUND swimming pool

    Shannon

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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    Liners can be custom made to fit the pool. Pictures would help a lot. Did anyone ask if this is an above ground pool that has been buried?
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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    I know a custom liner can be made & installed but no company will install one in my pool. Most have said that if it's a full concrete pool, they won't touch it and can't put a guarantee on the liner surviving. Plus, they also said, it would fall into the $4000 range and I just don't have that kind of cash at this moment, especially for something that won't come with a guarantee. From what I've been told, this pool has always had a liner, so I don't know why I'm finding it hard to get a replacement and why every company is giving me a hard time about it.

    As far as what the pool is constructed out of, I have no idea. If it is an above ground pool installed in the ground, that must be some strong steel to have survivied over 30 years in the ground with the weight of the earth (soil), weather and concrete on top of it. Most above ground pools on the ground don't even survive 30 years. I'm pretty sure my pool would've caved in by now. I have been down in the hole and from walking around, it's pretty hard, it does not feel like sand.

    Here are some pictures -- I tried uploading to this site and it has not been working for days.

    What the pool looked like last year when I saw the house -- before purchasing the house (June 2012)


    The view from the bedroom window -- so you get the idea that it's ROUND (May 2013)


    This is the pool afew days before the patch on the jet burst open (late May 2013)


    The rip/tear -- which is getting bigger everyday now (late May 2013)

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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    Royal Pools round inground pool kits, so they should be able to tell you where to get a round liner if they don't sell them.
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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    Thank you so much!! I browsed their website and they actually sell a round inground swimming pool kit and it looks just like my pool!! I have sent them an email asking for assistance in purchasing a liner from them. Hopefully, they will beable to help me out.

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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    First of all, I feel your pain with this pool....what a bummer to start off with trouble.
    I am new to the site too, I don't even own a pool at the moment, but I have been doing research on DIY inground pools and Royalswimmingpools.com has an inground pool very much like you are describing. It is 24' round and if you click on the shop now button it will take you to a page with the details of the pool and you can get it round with a scooped out middle. They only show options up to 5' 8" deep on the liner, however, I know that they can do custom liners. This would probably be your best bet. I haven't done any business with them yet, but I am probably going to order my pool kit from them within the month. I have read good things about them and they have an A+ rating with the Better Business Bureau.

    Sorry I am not more help, but at least that is a place to start.
    Good Luck, hope this is of some help.
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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    Hi,

    I can't really help you on your pool issues, but I was just wondering if you had a realtor representing you when you bought the house. I realize you are in Canada and that may be different from the U.S., but in the U.S., you would do a final walk-through of the house the morning of closing and if you notice something like the pool not being maintained as it should have been, you can negotiate something prior to closing, like a credit back for $xxx.xx to get the pool issues fixed. Just wondering how that ended up happening.

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    Re: New to forum, need liner suggestions?

    Edited by Mod to remove "marketing speak" as prohibited by the ITI rules. jblizzle

    Shannon,

    Based off the photos you posted, it appears that you have a round pool that has been made of straight panels connected to form the circle. This would be different from a round pool made of radius or curved panels. These two types of round pools are very similar but the liners are not quite interchangeable. From the photos, it appears that there are 22 straight panels making up the circle. We would need you to confirm this.

    Now, in order to make a liner for this pool, we would need to know; the length of each straight panel and the diagonal measurements taken from one corner of a straight panel across the pool to the other corner of the opposite straight panel. In addition, we would need to know the height of the walls, whether the entire bottom is a dish shape or something else, and the overall depth.

    The easiest way to document these measurements will probably be to make a rough sketch of the pool, then take the measurements at the coping track level (where the liner bead attaches into the coping).

    Once you have the measurements, feel free to contact us on our website or through TFP.
    Have a great day,

    Royal Swimming Pools

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