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    PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Comment

    After years of not so subtle hints from my wife and children I finally broke down and decided to install an in-ground pool this year. I have received three or four quotes from local pool builders and with a $10-$30K swing in price for basically the same thing I really struggled with who to choose. I'm in the home-improvement industry and I've seen a lot of local pool installations with varying levels of quality despite the amount of money that has been spent on them. I really have a hard time justifying a $30,000- $40,000 expense on something that has mediocre workmanship. So I determined the best solution is for me to do some of it myself and subcontract out the specialized things like the bottom and excavation. I've done lots of research and thanks to this site think I'm on the right track, however I would certainly appreciate everyone's input on my choices.

    Pool:

    20x43x37 custom Lagoon (steel w vinyl liner) 36K Gallons
    2 main drains 2 skimmers and 3 returns
    Liner TBD (lathem or megna? Ultra seam?
    8' radius (alps manufacturing) Blue Steps w/ at least 2 additional returns maybe spa jets
    All ordered from Royal Swimming Pools

    Equipment still undecided ,but so far:

    All Pentair:

    3hp Intelliflow VS (Do I need this much HP now, no...but will I need it in the future if I add water features like deck jets or laminers plus a slide?) My energy rats are low 6.2 cents a kW

    Quad DE 60-80 Best of both worlds DE plus cart. ?
    Easy touch w/ power center 4 function
    Intellichlor salt system
    (2) 5g Intelibrite 12v LED
    4-6 deck jets or maybe 3 laminars from Pentair??

    Future:
    Master temp NG 400000 BTU heater
    Slide of some sort
    Safety cover before winter

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    Re: PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Commen

    i suggest a solid cover with a mesh square in the middle , not a full mesh. The mesh lets in light and turns it a nice green over winter. 3hp will chew up the electric for sure but you'll move some water with the right piping. I have 4 deck jets and 2 come out nice and smooth and 2 full but eratically. The 2 smooth ones have longer verical runs of 3/4 pipe, maybe thats the reason?
    17,000 gal inground
    vinyl
    swg
    3hp 8 returns
    heat siphon heat pump

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    Re: PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Commen

    Thanks for the advice, but wouldn't a varitable speed pump resolve the power consumption issue?

    I guess the real question is does it make more sense to run an smaller 2 speed pump and an extra pump for the water features or one big varitable speed pump with automation and electronic valve actuators...

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    Re: PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Commen

    Quote Originally Posted by Duk007
    Thanks for the advice, but wouldn't a varitable speed pump resolve the power consumption issue?

    I guess the real question is does it make more sense to run an smaller 2 speed pump and an extra pump for the water features or one big varitable speed pump with automation and electronic valve actuators...
    thats above my pay grade. others on here could certainly answer that.... maybe in the pumping section?
    17,000 gal inground
    vinyl
    swg
    3hp 8 returns
    heat siphon heat pump

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    Re: PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Commen

    Quote Originally Posted by Duk007
    Thanks for the advice, but wouldn't a varitable speed pump resolve the power consumption issue?

    I guess the real question is does it make more sense to run an smaller 2 speed pump and an extra pump for the water features or one big varitable speed pump with automation and electronic valve actuators...
    I think the variable speed would give you the best options. I have the Hayward Ecostar and love it.

    I have 4 speeds set.

    1. 1200rpm which is right around 200 watts. I use this for filtering 6 hours a day.
    2 1600rpm which is around 400 watts I believe. I use this for filtering 3 hours a day
    3. 2200 rpm. Which is right at 1000 watts. I use this for filtering one hour a day and when I want to run my 4 deck jets.
    4. 3400 rpm which is around 1800 watts. I use this 45 minutes a day just to move a lot of water right before dark just incase anything needs skimming off the top. I also use this when I want to run my deck jets and 6 spa jets in my cozy cove.

    If you are going to have a bunch of different things that need different speeds I think the VS pumps are the best bang for you buck even if your electricity rates are low. Thats just my opinion though. Especially when you figure in buying 2 pumps, plumbing in 2 pumps , wiring up 2 pumps. I would personally just have to deal with 1 that can do it all and then some while saving you a few $$ a month. At .6 kwh running around 12-1300 rpms your talking about running your pool for less than $.20 a day granted you only run it 10 hours.

    Also you will like royal. That's who I got all my stuff from. Good people that do what they say. GL on the pool.
    18x36 Grecian Vinyl; 8' Roman steps w/t 2 spa jets; cozy cove w/t 6 spa jets; 2 MD, 1 Skimmer, 3 returns; Hayward Ecostar, 30" Ranger sand filter; Hayward color logic 4.0 LED light; Hayward aqua logic; 2" PVC pipe 4 Jandy Valves

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    Re: PA- New DIY Lagoon please feel free to Review and Commen

    Quote Originally Posted by kyle11 View Post
    I think the VS pumps are the best bang for you buck even if your electricity rates are low.
    I would agree with kyle! In addition, you can program VS itself without any external timers/control systems. And you can't hear VS pump running on lower RPMs. I can't say that about my older 2 speed pump I'm using for hot tub. I believe VS are using induction type motors, which is completely different to what is used in 2 speed pumps.
    Lagoon shape, 23,600 Gal, steel walls by International Swimming Pools, "ultra-seam" liner by Latham, Pentair 011018 IntelliFlo 3HP Variable Speed Pump, PentAir CCP420 filter, Heat Siphon Z575HP, PentAir IC40 SWG, 2 LED Lights (Pentair Intellibrite 5G, 110V). 4 x 1.5’’return lines, 2 x 2’’skimmer lines, 1.5’’ waterfall line. All plumbing is "TigerFlex" pipe, all lines plumbed individually. Deck: travertine glued over concrete.

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