Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 21

Thread: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    HELP! We have an inground, vinyl, non-SWG, Oasis shape, 24 x 40, 6 ft deep pool. We think it's roughly 30,000 gallons. We have this a few years now and each year it is becoming quite an expense and usually the pool ends up a mess halfway through the season (New York). Anyway, we filled the pool with fresh water a few days ago and only added 3 bags of shock and 2 gallons of houshold bleach. We did not run the filter yet, we need to get earth. The water was turning a green tint before we added the above bit now it is clearing up somewhat eve without the filter running. Please help, as we have no idea what to do next. Thanks in advance for your support.
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,045

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Welcome to the forum

    The best thing you can do for your pool is get one of the recommended test kits. TF100 is the fav around here. Link in my sig

    Also, we need a full set of current test results and also let us know how you got them

    Then, off to Pool School pool-school/read_before_you_post
    TFP Moderator TF100 Test Kit TF100 TestKit YouTube Channel PoolMath
    You're done SLAMing when:
    1)You lose 1ppm or less FC overnight, & 2)You have .5ppm CC's or less, & 3)your water is clear.

    ~ One should not use a sledge hammer to swat a mosquito. ~

    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  3. Back To Top    #3
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Welcome!

    Please order a test kit and read Pool School like Butterfly said!

    What you can do to keep your water mixed up while you wait for your pump is to brush your pool. That mixes the water and chemicals around.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  4. Back To Top    #4

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Thanks for the quick reply. Okay, ordering the test kit today on-line. Also, getting the earth today and a test kit for now locally. Will send the test results later today. Also, can you help with the CYA? Not sure what to buy, or what to do, or when to do it! LOL. Thanks again.
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  5. Back To Top    #5
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Get some CYA (sold as stabilizer) and dose enough to get up to 30. Use www.poolcalculator.com to dose. If you buy liquid, you can just dump it in. If you buy the solid, you need to put it in an old sock and hang it by the return or in the skimmer (don't clog it though). When it's dissolved, it can take up to a week to show up in tests, but assume it is there and dose chlorine like you are at the 30 CYA. Once you get your water clean and get a TF-100 test kit, I would raise the CYA to 50.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  6. Back To Top    #6

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Okay, just got back with the earth so going to backwash, run the filter, vacuum, and remove all the debris. Picked up a JED Pool Tools test kit for now, just tested and got an 8.8 on the chlorine and a 7.2 for the pH. That's really all the test kit does, it only contains red and yellow solutions. At what point do I have to add the CYA as I didn't purchase it yet? Thanks again for all the replies.
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  7. Back To Top    #7
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    You want to add CYA as soon as possible. You run the risk of bleaching the liner if you run high chlorine without CYA (8 is high for without CYA)
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  8. Back To Top    #8

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Hi - Thanks again for the replies. Okay - the water is pretty clear now and the Taylor 2006 is on the way. Anyway, I need help with the CYA (amounts and what kind). Obviously I'm at zero CYA right now - Fresh Water. HELP!
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  9. Back To Top    #9
    Vette's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    404

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    www.poolcalculator.com

    Enter how many gallons into the box, then in CYA put 0 for current and 50 for target. It'll tell you how much you need. It also says how much liquid stabilizer you could use if you don't want to use the solid.
    11,700 gallon 21' round 54" deep all-resin AGP - June 2012
    Waterway 1HP 2-speed pump / 100 sq ft cartridge filter
    Hayward 150,000btu Natural Gas heater
    I use and recommend the TF-100 for testing

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,045

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    what vette said ^^^ but, I suggest you only add enough CYA to reach 30. Wait a week, test CYA and adjust up to 50 if all is okay.

    It is much easier to add CYA than to reduce it (water replacement) and you are unsure of the pool gallons.

    You can use any kind/brand of CYA. Just read the label and make sure the cyanuric acid is in the high 95% to 100% range. You can find it at Walmart, big box stores, pool stores, etc.
    TFP Moderator TF100 Test Kit TF100 TestKit YouTube Channel PoolMath
    You're done SLAMing when:
    1)You lose 1ppm or less FC overnight, & 2)You have .5ppm CC's or less, & 3)your water is clear.

    ~ One should not use a sledge hammer to swat a mosquito. ~

    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  11. Back To Top    #11

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    The pool calculator is great - Thanks! For a goal of 30 CYA it calculated to use 120 oz of CYA. So, I'll be getting that today. I guess I'll go with the granules, how many lbs would that be? Also, what do I do , just put it in an old tube sock? Is it all going to fit? Also, could we use the automatic chlorine dispenser instead to put the CYA in, and if we did would we still use the sock? One more question - can we swim when we add the CYA in or do we have to wait? The chlorine level is fine. We really appreciate all the help - so far the pool looks great.
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  12. Back To Top    #12
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    120oz/16 = 7.5 lbs

    You may need to use more than one sock. I would not use the chlorinator. Safe to swim while the CYA is dissolving.
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  13. Back To Top    #13
    Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,045

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Yes, I also get 120 ozs. If you scroll to the top of the calculator (beside gallons/under 'calculate') and then hover the mouse over the '120 oz' , the xfer to pounds will appear as 7 lbs 8 ozs.

    You can swim while adding CYA. We recommend the sock method hanging in front of returns.
    You're gonna need several socks

    Don't use the chlorinator for anything except what it is intended for.
    TFP Moderator TF100 Test Kit TF100 TestKit YouTube Channel PoolMath
    You're done SLAMing when:
    1)You lose 1ppm or less FC overnight, & 2)You have .5ppm CC's or less, & 3)your water is clear.

    ~ One should not use a sledge hammer to swat a mosquito. ~

    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    I might go with the liquid - it might be a little cumbersome having socks hanging all over. How much liquid would I use and what method would I use, ex: all at once?, would I add it at night and run the filter? Also, how long would it take to get the CYA to 30 using the liquid? Thanks
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  15. Back To Top    #15
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Liquid just need to be mixed for an hour. It should show up on the test immediately.

    Use poolcalculator.com to tell you how much you need .... something about teaching a man to fish and not just eating or something
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  16. Back To Top    #16

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Does 19 lbs of liquid CYA sound right?
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  17. Back To Top    #17
    Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    South Carolina
    Posts
    10,045

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shrimpbones
    Does 19 lbs of liquid CYA sound right?
    No. Recheck the calculator. I think it's about[s:294h836w]3 gallons[/s:294h836w] 2 1/2 gallons (liquid) to add about 30ppm CYA.

    Do the same calc you did earlier, follow the same directions above. Hover the mouse over the liquid ounces in the column and then look up under the 'calculate' button. It xfers to gallons/qts.

    You should confirm w/calculator.
    TFP Moderator TF100 Test Kit TF100 TestKit YouTube Channel PoolMath
    You're done SLAMing when:
    1)You lose 1ppm or less FC overnight, & 2)You have .5ppm CC's or less, & 3)your water is clear.

    ~ One should not use a sledge hammer to swat a mosquito. ~

    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  18. Back To Top    #18
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Not exactly ... the liquid is given in fluid oz not by weight .... you need 311 fl oz = 39 cups = 2.4 gallons
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  19. Back To Top    #19

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Thanks everyone - math is not my stronger subject LOL. Is any liquid one okay or do they come in different percentages?
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

  20. Back To Top    #20

    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Staten Island, New York
    Posts
    9

    Re: Please help! Want to do BBB Method with new water.

    Okay - the liquid is just way too expensive. Going to go with the Blue Wave 7 lb tub for $17.99 and use the socks, I guess. Does anyone know around how much bleach you'll think we'll need to keep the pool going? Sorry to all of you experienced BBB users out there - this is a little new for us - we'll get the hang of it.
    30k Gal, IG Vinyl, DE, 3yrs old, Freeform

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •