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    Another new pool owner!

    Hello everyone. Me and my wife bought our first house last month which also has a pool. Well we opened it up to a green swamp. Apparently the old owners never had chemicals put in upon closing last season. Our pool company (which im not fond of lol) opened up our pool and shocked. Me and wife ran our de filter and bumped, backwashed, replaced de and repeat. Also took filter apart 3 times and cleaned all the fingers very good. Pool cleared up. We found out there is a leak under the concrete in our return lines. I noticed after leaving the filter on all night, i awoke to an unprimed pump because the water level dropped 2-3 inches. So needless to say concrete needs ripped up and lines replaced. They have a single temp line across the concrete into the shallow end. We couldnt add chemicals for atleast a week until the temp line was in place.

    After everything was setup, took a sample into pool store and results were as follows:
    Sat index -.05
    TDS 525
    CYA 13
    Total chlorine 2.6
    Free chlorine .6
    pH 7
    Alkalinity 91
    Hardness 259

    This was with no chemicals other than the shock they used upon opening a week earlier. They sold me 5lb of granular dichlor, 2 1lb of stabilizer and silk smart sticks. All bioguard lol. $150. Fast forward 2 days i have another sample tested. Results were:

    Sat index -0.7
    TDS 550
    CYA 100! (I didnt realize about the cya with dichlor and trichlor until it was too late lol)
    Total chlorine 2.5
    Free chlorine 0.6
    pH 6.9
    Alkalinity 102
    Hardness 259

    So ive been lurking on here for about a week and decided i want to use the BBB cause ~$400 later im in no better shape. I have a Taylor K 2006 on the way. Wont be til next week. I found a 5 gal of liquid chlorine at a pool store thst is closing but i cant find it anywhere else. I also used 2lbs of cal hypo yesterday, 5lb liquid chlorine today. Took a sample to another pool store and they didnt test as many parameters as the other store but free chlorine turned out to be 1.4 but combined was 5.2!! So just 20 mins ago i shocked with 2lbs of cal hypo again. Im going to let it run all night and take a sample in tomorrow to see where were at. Im sorry for the lengthy post but i know you guys need all the info you can get lol. Thanks for your time .
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Welcome to tfp, Newbpooler

    It is great you are getting your own kit, the results you got from the pool store could be misleading you, for sure their advice was (what they sold you).

    First when you FC drops below 10 ppm (or if you only have a OTO, when you TC drops to 5 or less) get your ph up using borax to at least 7.2-7.4. Be careful to wait until you FC is low, since high FC causes high ph readings.

    Next, if you haven't read it yet, review the poolschool article on the shocking process. There is a ton of information in poolschool (link at upper right of page).

    Ignore TDS.
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Thanks for the reply . Im just hoping that kit comes early next week lol. The only thing i have here at the house right now for testing is...you guessed it, strips. I know there basically worthless thats why im relying on the stores until i get the kit in the mail. Whats weird is even 10 minutes after shocking, i still gant get any color change on the free chlorine tab of the stick. I know in time i can get the hang of all this . What really has me bummed is the estimate to replace the return lines. About $2700. So i have another place coming out monday to do an estimate for a second opinion.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    I might not do anything more until that test kit comes. We already have a swamp. It won't hurt anything leaveing it like that. Don't let that pool store sale you anything.

    Get the test and get some real results then we can start fresh. Read pool school and the shocking process so you understand everything.


    Jeff
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Im sorry i should have said something earlier. The pool is crystal clear. I mean i could read newprint in the deep end lol. It only took two or three days to clear all the dead algae up when the pool store shocked it. My main trouble is getting the fc to stay and lower the cc. I noticed a slight slime feel on the walls before i brushed and vacuumed today also.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Sounds like to me your not done shocking. Your done when

    1 water is clear
    2 you pass the oclt test
    3 you have 0.5 cc or less


    Jeff
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Again, read the link to the shocking process. If you still have CC then you need to do that process. You will need to wait until you get your kit however.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    No i havent done anything in the past 5 hrs. Im just letting the pump run constantly til tomorrow to take another sample to see where i stand. I have read over the shock process and its very helpful.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    I would try to keep some liquid chlorine in there till that test kit comes. You need to know the CYA level to get a shock level. You'll also want to get the PH in line prior to the shocking process


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    24'x54" AG Morada RTR (by wilbar) 13'500 gal. Hayward Powerflo Matrix 1hp 2 speed. Hayward Perflex EC65 DE filter.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    I still have 3 gallons in the garage actually.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Cool. Maybe try to keep 3-5 ppm of FC in there until the test kit comes. If water stays clear till test kit comes we're not going backwards.




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    24'x54" AG Morada RTR (by wilbar) 13'500 gal. Hayward Powerflo Matrix 1hp 2 speed. Hayward Perflex EC65 DE filter.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Sounds good . Ill keep everyone up to date. Thanks for the replies and help. Its greatly appreciated.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Back from 2 different stores with results. One store uses a strip then puts it in a machine and the other uses drops and reagents. So...store with strips gives me a printout as follows.
    CYA 100
    Tot chlorine 3.1
    Free chlorine .6
    Ph 6.8
    Total alkalinity 109
    Hardness 256

    Now the store with drops
    Free chlorine 4
    Total chlorine 4
    Ph 7.2
    Alkalinity 160
    CYA 30
    Calcium hardness 300
    TDS 1950 (other store was 600?!).
    Phosphates 300

    I know tds was mentioned to not be important but just wanted to list the differences between the stores.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    I would go with the drop test results over a strip reader anyday. Water still clear?
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    That was pretty much my thoughts lol. Yes it is. Crystal.
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Good.
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Sorry for digging this back up to the top but my test kit came in and i have results

    FC .4
    CC 1
    TA 130
    pH 7.2
    CH 160

    As before pool is crystal clear, the only thing i seem to be having trouble with is when i use the pool calculator to measure for liquid chlorine, i put in the dose and wait for about an hour and it only goes up by .2. I added 1 gallon then retested an hour later, it was at 1.4, then another gallon and just tested again and its at 2.8. Im not sure if im missing something or not lol. It just seems like im needing more than the pool calculator is requiring.
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    Or something is consuming it as you add it. Did you confirm your CYA Test?
    The CC of .6 indicates there is something organic happening which is probably why you are not registering Free Chlorine. Keep at it!
    Helpful links: Pool School; CYA/Chlorine Chart
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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    That makes sense lol. Cause i added the recommended dosage to raise by 10ppm and only got barely 1ppm. I gotta stop and pick up some liquid chlorine tonight. The only place i can find it is ollies lol. The other pool store that sells it in 5 gal containers is going out of business. Sorry CYA is right around 60
    16x32 vinyl in-ground pool.
    Approx 21,000 gallons.
    Hayward DE EC65 filter and Hayward super pump.

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    Re: Another new pool owner!

    The .2 1.4 2.8 FC indicates to me you're either using 25 ml line or testing wrong. If you're using 25 ml of water you're wasting reagents, use 10 ml which will give you steps of .5 instead of .2. Your reagents will last longer and .5 ml is plenty of precision. If you've confused the test, 25 ml vs 10 ml, you could be counting the drops the wrong way and that can throw off your reading. IE counting each drop as .2 when you should be counting them as .5.
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