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    New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Hi all,
    I am a new pool owner and don't know where to begin. First off, let me say that I learned my lesson the hard way about Pool Stores already. Our pool was installed in December and installer said we shouldn't have to do anything until May. I ordered the TF100 kit and have tried to understand the pool school manual but...... I am not very confident in my readings. My readings this morning were as follows:
    FC - 4.5
    CC - 0
    PH - 7.8
    TA - 120
    CH - 310
    CYA - 20

    Where do I start to get these levels right?
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Welcome to TFP!!!

    How does the water look?

    You are really not in too bad of shape. Is the SWG on? Have you check the salt level?

    Really the only thing that appears to need attention is raise the CYA up around the 70-80ppm that we recommend for SWG pools ... but we need to know what the water looks like and whether you need to go through the shock process before you raise the CYA.
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Welcome Crystal - You should read the article in Pool School called Water Balance for SWGs. Your CYA is too low-how confident are you of that #?

    Your TA is too high but it's not THAT bad... you can gradually lower it with Muratic Acid - There is another article on lowering TA. Your SWG is a source of Aeration. Your TA will cause the PH to drift up past 7.8 (too high) and that's when you add Muratic Acid to lower the PH down to 7.2 Over time, by repeating this process every time your PH reaches 7.8, the TA will drop down in the recommended range of 60-80 because the acid lowers the TA as well.

    Other than that that I think you are in good shape.

    How does your water look?
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Welcome!

    Your numbers don't look too bad! and won't take much to get a hold of. I note you really only need to bring TA/pH down slightly and increase your CYA to the recommended 70-80ppm for SWG Pools, everything though is IMHO safe to swim, TA can be brought down gradually as you see fit, but I really don't see any point in rushing this, it will come down gradually if you control your pH with acid.

    CYA can be brought up to the recommended level gradually also, take your time, aim for around 2 weeks to get it to where it needs to be, I would shoot for around 50-60ppm first, then wait to finish it off to 70-80ppm (it's better to aim lower than your target as it's cheaper and easier than partial drains to bring it back down.)

    If you have already added CYA recently, give it time to materialise in your water chemistry as it can take upto a week to deliver. Meantime I would just keep your pH in check towards the lower target of 7.5 for your pool.

    FC - 4.5 - OK
    CC - 0 - OK
    PH - 7.8 - OK/High
    TA - 120 OK/High
    CH - 310 OK
    CYA - 20 LOW

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Thanks for the warm welcome Jason

    The water looks very clear. I did test the salt this morning but I didn't post because I don't know what the recommended level is. The salt tested at 2500. And yes the SWG is on.

    I'm super excited to learn that my numbers are that bad. I was thinking it was bad.

    Crystal
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalG
    Thanks for the warm welcome Jason

    The water looks very clear. I did test the salt this morning but I didn't post because I don't know what the recommended level is. The salt tested at 2500. And yes the SWG is on.

    I'm super excited to learn that my numbers are that bad. I was thinking it was bad.

    Crystal
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Crystal - what is the recommended salt level of the SWG unit?
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Add more details to your signature:
    what model / size of filter, pump, and SWG? Most SWG want the salt over 3000 ppm ... what does the SWG think the salt level is?

    Since the water is clear, I would suggest getting some CYA dissolving in a sock in front of a return with a target of about 50-60 ppm to start. Then check it in a week and adjust up to the 70-80ppm recommendation.

    Likely as the CYA become dissolved, you will need to lower the output of the SWG or the pump run time so that FC does not climb.
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Sorry about the signature guys. I had re-done it but forgot to press submit.

    frustratedpoolmom - I'm not sure of the recommended salt level, I will have to look it up when I get back home.

    jblizzle - wow I don't know how to lower the output of the SWG. I think I may need to call the installers back out to give me a class on all the equipment. My husband knows how to do a few things (backwashing and such) but we really don't know how all of this works.

    Any suggestions on the best place to purchase the CYA sock?
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalG
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    Any suggestions on the best place to purchase the CYA sock?
    The rag bin.
    I;ll just copy my reply from another thread
    Pour it in an orphaned sock or nylon. That's right - nothing special. A sock sock, not some special gimmick the pool store sells. Tie it closed with a string and hang it over the edge of the pool in front of a return jet. Fill one of those empty bleach bottles with water to use as a weight and tie the string to the handle.
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Re Sig:
    Still missing the actual pump info and what SWG you have.
    The 62 gal flow you state is a specification max for the filter ... it is pretty meaningless in reality.

    With some more details about the equipment and some pictures of your equipment pad, we can probably get you straightened out ... but if it is a newer pool and the builder will still come out (with no cost) and can run you through the equipment, then that would not hurt.
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Oh Richard320 I like your style/humor.

    Just so I'm clear....fill up a reg. sock with CYA (no specific amount) and hang in front of return for about a week and test CYA levels again?
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    No.
    You need to use poolcalculator.com to determine how much CYA to add to raise from ~20ppm to ~55ppm

    Report back your answer and I will tell you if you are right
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    According to my pool calculator I need to add 65 oz (weight) or 68 oz (volume) or 170 oz liquid stabilizer
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Yup

    So get about 4 lbs in a sock (or 2) and get it dissolving.

    In a week or so, you will likely need to add another 2-3 lbs to get to the final target.
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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Will do! Thanks for all the advice and help. I hope to have a perfect pool soon.
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalG
    Will do! Thanks for all the advice and help. I hope to have a perfect pool soon.
    If you're running to the store anyway, you might as well pick up some acid while you're there (Lowes and Home Depot stock the stabilizer and the acid out in the garden section) because your pH is sure to rise in the next week between the SWG and the TA level you have.
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    A pool is like a pet - you have to feed it every day, even the days you don't want to play with it!

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Good to know that Home Depot stocks that stuff. I was going to check Home Depot because the closest pool store is Leslie's and I DO NOT want to deal with them again unless I absolutely have to.

    Again, thanks to everyone for the input. I look forward to chatting again.
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    After returning home, I found out the recommended salt level for my unit was 4000 and my test indicated I had 2500.

    I can't seem to find out the flow rate - any suggestions??
    Location: Denham Springs, Louisiana
    14K, IG Fiberglass, Hayward Pro Series model: S244T, Polaris PB4-60 Booster Pump, Jandy SWG
    Installed 12/2012

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    Re: New Pool Owner Needs HELP!

    Why do you need the flow rate?
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