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    Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Hi,

    I have an Aquarite T-CELL15 SWG, I bought one of those premixed bottles os cell cleaner solution that you can find at your pool store, it wasn't cheap, around $20 for a 2Litre bottle.

    Anyhow, I bought myself one of those cell stands, I had my bucket all ready, I first rinsed out the cell with a hose and then I fitted it with the stand and I poured almost the entire 2Litre bottle of cell cleaner in the cell, enough so that it covered the cells.

    I left it there for around 30ish minutes but there was no fizzing or bubbling and I don't see any of the gunk from the cells removed, in fact I emptied the content of the SWG in to the bucket and the liquid looked clear.

    The cell cleaner was purchased about two years ago but had never been opened, but it had been stored in my cabana throughout the winter and summer months.

    Did it lose potency? What should I do next?
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    The following link will walk you through how to clean your cell. You just need muriatic acid and water, which you likely have on hand.

    http://www.inyopools.com/HowToPage/how_ ... cell_.aspx
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Try using a mixture of four parts water and one part muriatic acid instead and see if that does anything.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    I've never used muriatic acid, ill drop by the pool store tomorrow to pick some up, so much for the premixes, I guess I should have known better, the instructional videos always have people doing the mixes.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    You can also get muriatic at most Lowe's, Home Depot, or a paint store, if that's more convenient for you.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstead
    I've never used muriatic acid, ill drop by the pool store tomorrow to pick some up, so much for the premixes, I guess I should have known better, the instructional videos always have people doing the mixes.
    What do you use as a pH reducer? With the SWG, I know your pH must drift up.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by elwood58
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstead
    I've never used muriatic acid, ill drop by the pool store tomorrow to pick some up, so much for the premixes, I guess I should have known better, the instructional videos always have people doing the mixes.
    What do you use as a pH reducer? With the SWG, I know your pH must drift up.
    My pool is only open 4 months of the year and I test pretty regularly and I think I may have only had to lower the PH once and I think I used one PH- but in general I don't have issues with PH, is that weird?

    I guess you are saying I could be using muriatic acid as a PH- and I'm guessing I should buy it fon a Home Depot type store as the previous poster mentioned, would probably be cheaper too.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    I'm starting to thinkg it wasn't the pre-mixed solution, I bought the acid, I nissed 4 parts water and 1 part acid and I ended up with the exact same results. I attached a picture this time.

    I should add the cell had never been cleaned before in 3 years but only 3-4 months of of usage for each year.

    Does it require a stronger mix? Every video always shows the 4 parts to 1 part and it always looks clean.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Did you buy the 31% solution? At 4:1 you should have had some reaction. You can increase the acid amount but I wouldnt go higher than 3:1.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by jhalpinjr
    Did you buy the 31% solution? At 4:1 you should have had some reaction. You can increase the acid amount but I wouldnt go higher than 3:1.
    I missed looking at the percentage of the solution, they had a small boottle and a big bottle and I bought the big one, I'll confirm the percentage when I get in this evening.

    Depending on the percentage, what are the different ratios to mix acid to water?

    I guess 31% would be 4 to 1
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstead
    Quote Originally Posted by jhalpinjr
    Did you buy the 31% solution? At 4:1 you should have had some reaction. You can increase the acid amount but I wouldnt go higher than 3:1.
    I missed looking at the percentage of the solution, they had a small boottle and a big bottle and I bought the big one, I'll confirm the percentage when I get in this evening.

    Depending on the percentage, what are the different ratios to mix acid to water?

    I guess 31% would be 4 to 1
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    The bottle says HCI 20, what's the correct ratio for that, both my cleanings did nothing at all.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Just going to bump this one, not sure what the correct ratio is for when the HCI is 20, first two soakings didnt do a thing.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Is that 20% or 20o Baume (BE)? The latter is 31%.

    But the picture looks like something other than calcium which may be why it isn't reacting. Have you tried to hose the stuff out from both ends?
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by mas985
    Is that 20% or 20o Baume (BE)? The latter is 31%.

    But the picture looks like something other than calcium which may be why it isn't reacting. Have you tried to hose the stuff out from both ends?
    Hosing didn't do anything at all.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by mas985
    Is that 20% or 20o Baume (BE)? The latter is 31%.

    But the picture looks like something other than calcium which may be why it isn't reacting. Have you tried to hose the stuff out from both ends?
    Okay I can confirm it is 20 BE, could that be why my 4 to 1 ratio wasn't enough?

    Any ideas what to try next guys? A third soaking with a different ratio?
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Break some of the suspect material chunks off and put them in a plastic bowl. Pour the acid on them directly...do they react? If not it couldnt be calcium.
    I am not sure what the material is thats even in your cell.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstead
    Okay I can confirm it is 20 BE, could that be why my 4 to 1 ratio wasn't enough?
    20 BE is 31% MA so it should have fizzed. Try the above procedure.
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Ill be proactive here, chaces are high it won't sizzle given I haven't seen any sizzling at all, doest that even make any sense? I haven't wash this thing in 4 seasons, each season being 3-4 months, how could I not see any sizzle?

    What if that piece I break off doesn't sizzle, what do I try next?

    Why won't this thing sizzle?
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    Re: Pre-mixed Cell cleaner didn't clean cell, advice please

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstead
    Why won't this thing sizzle?
    The only reason it won't fizz is because it isn't calcium/scale. But if you use full strength it might so just give it a try to make sure. Also, a chunk should break off pretty easy so if it is something else and it doesn't break off, that could be another clue.

    Also, did you have any other plumbing issues that were repaired recently?
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