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    pool bonding question

    I just replaced my double insulated pump that came with the Doughboy pool. It was never bonded to the pool and as far as I can tell from reading the information here is that it was not necessary.

    I have recently replaced the old pump with a new 1hp Hayward Power-Flo Matrix and am definitely going to bond it to my 24' ABG Doughboy. My question is?? Is it necessary to totally encircle the pool and attaching at 4 equal point of the pool or is it ok to bond using only one connection to a pool upright support and how important is it to water bond it also?

    And should I also drive a 8' copper rod and ground it there too? I'm sure this has been addressed before on the site so please forgive me,
    Thank You in advance!
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    Re: bonding the pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Pappy1959
    I just replaced my double insulated pump that came with the Doughboy pool. It was never bonded to the pool and as far as I can tell from reading the information here is that it was not necessary.

    I have recently replaced the old pump with a new 1hp Hayward Power-Flo Matrix and am definitely going to bond it to my 24' ABG Doughboy. My question is?? Is it necessary to totally encircle the pool and attaching at 4 equal point of the pool or is it ok to bond using only one connection to a pool upright support and how important is it to water bond it also?

    And should I also drive a 8' copper rod and ground it there too? I'm sure this has been addressed before on the site so please forgive me,
    Thank You in advance!

    Unless you are in Canada, the ground rod is not needed.

    To meet code, you need to go around the pool. A water bond is pretty easy with a fitting.
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    Re: bonding the pool

    Thank you John T
    I have seen a water bonding plate that installs inside the skimmer, but its curved to fit inside the round type skimmer. My skmmer is square! I am needing a flat grounding plate...is there such a item? Or i think i saw on the forums where the water bonding was accomplished via a brass plug installed in the hard plumbing .
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    Re: pool bonding question

    You can take a stainless steel coupling and/or nipple and drill and thread for a bolt and attach a bonding lug to it and install it in the plumbing and it will make a water bond. Or you can buy one already made up but they're expensive.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    Here's how I bonded my water. It's on the suction side. Picture is before I ran the bonding wire.

    [attachment=0:3krw8qc8]ImageUploadedByTapatalk1366804721.194007.jpg[/attachment:3krw8qc8]

    http://www.poolpartsonline.com/p-75588- ... nding.aspx


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    Re: pool bonding question

    Technically the water bond requires 9 in² of surface area [s:7ncz8vk4]so that doesn't quite meet code.[/s:7ncz8vk4] Sorry I didn't look at the piece before I wrote that. It appears to meet the code and is a pretty nifty way of doing it.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    I used this. A little pricey, but I didn't want to drill into my skimmer. This can be installed at the pump inlet.

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    Re: pool bonding question

    The surface area is 10.65 sq inches


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    Re: pool bonding question

    pwrstrk, that is a very smart way of doing it. I've been putting off bonding my pool for a couple of seasons and wanted to tackle it this year, can you explain the process to get the lug into the PVC cap, I think that's a great idea.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    Cramer thats just slip plug glued into the tee. I forget what size the threaded hole is. just take the water bonder with you to size it up. Thread sealent and your good to go.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    So you just drilled a hole into the plug that was a bit smaller than the lug threads, applied some sealant to the lug threads and then hand screwed it into the cap?
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    Re: pool bonding question

    Cramar, I think you're missing something. That's not a plug in pwrstrk's pic. It's a threaded reducer, so the bonder just screws into it. No drilling or tapping required.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    Bingo, there's the missing part, I get it now, thanks Bama.
    Such a simple solution...so simple I'm baffled
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    Re: pool bonding question

    That's right Bama. I should have said reducer. My fault.


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    Re: pool bonding question

    Here is a picture of how I will be water bonding my 24' pool.....Will this work and or pass codes? I have already drilled, tapped and sealed the plug and attached the copper lug.

    [attachment=0:2nqfiwt3]20130424_134308.jpg[/attachment:2nqfiwt3]
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    Re: pool bonding question

    That link takes me to gmail.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    Yea,,I seem to be having a problem linking my photos from Picasa...
    I can see the photos when I click on the link....
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    Re: pool bonding question

    It technically won't pass code because there's not 9in² touching the water. Practically it's probably enough.
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    Re: pool bonding question

    What is that made out of and where did you get it. I've never seen a water bonder like that. Also you need to use bare copper wire. #8awg is the size

    . Is it a steel pipe plug ?


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    Re: pool bonding question

    Yes its a pipe plug, I drilled a 1/4" hole in it, tapped it out and fastned the grounding lug to it.
    I can replace the wire with solid bare wire. I have not installed this yet, I wanted to get y'all's opinions and comments before I continued with the hard plumb.
    All comments and sugestions are encouraged and welcome.
    In the few days of discovering this site I have learned quite allot and am learning as much as I can to make my pool as safe as i can.... Thanks to the great help here yall are making it possible.
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