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    Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    My CYA is 100ppm, when I get my CYA in check ( 30-50) before swim season can I switch to Borax (mule 20)? Do I need to use the black dot CYA or switch to the borates test strips that I ordered with my TF100? Pool School is recommending CYA 30-50 or Borates 30-50? Thanks

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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    No.

    They are not the same. Borates are optional, stabilizer is not. Two different tests, two different chemicals, two different purposes.

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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    Ok, thanks. So I would keep my CYA level between 30-50ppm with Stabilizer and Borate level between 30-50ppm with Borax. Since Borax is not necessary to balance your pool and CYA is, what is the purpose to implement Borax to your pool?

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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    Borax is used for 2 reasons.

    1. Raise pH if it's low.

    2. Borax can be carefully added via process that raises borate levels to approx 50 ppm. This acts as a further TA and pH buffer, plus an added benefit is the algaecidic properties inherent inborates.

    Number 2 above is optional, and should only be used after your pool is stable and you are extremely comfortable with understanding the chemistry behind BBB.
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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    Quote Originally Posted by Smykowski
    Borax is used for 2 reasons.

    1. Raise pH if it's low.

    2. Borax can be carefully added via process that raises borate levels to approx 50 ppm. This acts as a further TA and pH buffer, plus an added benefit is the algaecidic properties inherent inborates.

    Number 2 above is optional, and should only be used after your pool is stable and you are extremely comfortable with understanding the chemistry behind BBB.
    ok, Thanks.
    1. Can I use Baking Soda to raise PH?

    2. Since my pool is new (Mar.2013), It's best to wait on the Borax?
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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    1) No, use soda ash or borax to raise PH.

    2) Yes, best to wait.
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    Re: Borax vs. Stabilizer/Conditioner

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion
    1) No, use soda ash or borax to raise PH.

    2) Yes, best to wait.
    oops Thats right baking soda raises TA. Thanks Jason.
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