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    New Pool Owner

    Good Morning,

    I just bought a house in Tennessee and it has an AGP 36'X54". I have never maintained a pool before and am looking for any help here on the forum. It is currently uncovered and drained below the skimmer and has allot of leaves in the bottom, the water is clear but obviously dirty. The pool also has the perma salt system used previously. My question is where do I start? Should I fill it with water run the filter and clean all the leaves out? What about using the perma salt system? I have been reading about the BBB method and it seems cheaper than buying all the chemicals required for the perma salt system. Any advice or pointers would be extremely helpful right now. Thank you.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Welcome to TFP.

    I would order a good test kit and then I would scoop as much of the debris out as possible while I was waiting on it to arrive. Then fill it and get the pump running. While all that's going on I'd keep reading Pool School. I would forego the Permasalt and use bleach to begin with. Once you're comfortable with the pool you can decide if you want or need to chlorinate some other fashion (swg, pump, etc).
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Welcome to tfp, mpool

    I just noticed the size of your pool (36')

    From my calculations, 36 ft (inside diameter) filled to 4 ft would be more like 30000 gallons

    Quote Originally Posted by mpool
    My question is where do I start?
    Bama gave you great advice. As he said, make sure you spend time in pool school. Here are a couple of articles to get you started:
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Linen, you are correct my pool is around 30K gallons. I have the Taylor 2006 on the way. Once It arrives I will put up my results. Thank you.
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    Just received my test kit yesterday. And also had to order a new pump , should be here next week. I did some testing on my fill water and also mu pool to practice using my test kit. Here are the results. Please let me know if their are any areas of concern before I start filling my pool. Thank you.

    Fill Water:
    FC-1.5
    PH-7.8
    TA-100
    CH-120

    Pool Water
    FC-0
    CC-0
    PH-7.0
    TA-80
    CH-100
    CYA-0 (the black dot never disappeared)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpool
    I did some testing on my fill water and also mu pool to practice using my test kit.
    If you haven't filled the pool yet, what is the difference On here we call fill water the water that is going into the pool and pool water is water taken from a pool. On a fresh fill in vinyl that has had no chemicals added the results should be very similar other than the ph might be little higher (due to aeration) and any FC in the fill water will disappear really quick in the pool.

    If the pool water is actually from the pool, then you numbers are great except you want to start adding chlorine and cya. Your ph is a little low, but I would check again tomorrow before raising it, and then I would only raise it up to ~7.4 for now.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Quote Originally Posted by mpool

    It is currently uncovered and drained below the skimmer and has allot of leaves in the bottom, the water is clear but obviously dirty.

    Linen,
    This is from my first post on this thread. I was posting those to see if I am using my test set correctlly and if I needed to drain water before I add water. Thank you.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    You don't need to drain water, you can clean debris out, fill it up, run the filtration system and get at it.
    You need to get some CYA in there right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpool
    This is from my first post on this thread. I was posting those to see if I am using my test set correctlly and if I needed to drain water before I add water.
    Thanks for pointing that out...sorry about that

    If the equipment is functioning, first I would get as much junk out as possible with a leaf rake, then fill it up to the middle of the skimmer, and then proceed with the shocking process at the same time you are starting to add cya to the pool. For the cya, I would shoot for ~30 ppm for now and I would put it in a sock and hang it in front of the return.

    What type of filter do you have?
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    Usually it is best to test the pool water after it has circulated for an hour .... so hard to say how accurate you test was since the pump is broken. Filling it will also change some of the levels.

    Wait for the pump, fill it, run it, retest it.

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    Re: New Pool Owner

    I am ready to go!! I found all my chemicals at Walmart. So far I have $150 in chemicals and test kit. This is only a third of what I would have had to pay to get started with the existing perma salt system. I am not taking in account the pump and valve I had to purchase cause either way I would of had to buy those components no matter which way I went. Once I get my pump and filter going I will post a new set of test results. I am excited about this BBB method and can't wait to post pics of my pool water. Thank you to everyone who has given me help and advice so far, I am sure I will need more.
    30K Gal 36'X54" AGP, Eco kleer 22 Sand Filter 55GPM, Installed June 2010, Waterway 1.0 Hp Pump (Installed April 2013), Taylor-2006 test kit, Previously Perma salt system, BBB Method from now on.

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    Which chemicals do you have?
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Linen,

    I found the following chemicals at Walmart that I will use to get started.

    Bleach
    Borax
    Baking Soda
    Cyanuric Acid
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    Well, I can tell you right off that you will not need the baking soda. That raises TA and your previous numbers are fine.

    Borax raises pH, this also may never be needed as you may need muriatic acid to lower the pH.

    The other 2 will certainly be needed.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Looks like your on the right track. With the help of the people hear you'll be an expert at taking control of your pool.

    That's what it's all about.


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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Well I finally got my new pump installed, and I am running the pump for the last hour or so while the pool fill the rest of the way up. I have a dual return and there seems to be no allot of pressure comming from the return. What is the normal return pressure supposed to be? I will post some test results tonight after my pump/filter runs a little while longer.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Well the filter may be dirty or the floor drain/ skimmer could be plugged resulting in low flow.

    There is not really a "normal", just depends on you setup.

    What pressure reading do you have on the filter?
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    Prior to installing the pump today I checked my hose for the skimmer and no debris. I just went out to check my filter gauge and it is not working correctly, the pointer is on the other side of the stop.
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    Well, report back after you replace the gauge.
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    Re: New Pool Owner

    New pressure gauge installed. Filter pressure is 12 PSI. Also it sound like I have a air leak at the top of my filter. no water just sound like a air leak, is this normal?
    30K Gal 36'X54" AGP, Eco kleer 22 Sand Filter 55GPM, Installed June 2010, Waterway 1.0 Hp Pump (Installed April 2013), Taylor-2006 test kit, Previously Perma salt system, BBB Method from now on.

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