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    Help understanding these wires

    Hi All,
    This is a pic of a Heliomatic solar controller and I could use a little help understanding the wiring. I think the "out" wires go to the solar pump, I think the "red" and "black" 240v wires are from the breaker panel and I have no idea what the "slave in" wires are doing. Would be most grateful for any help. Thanks
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    Are you trying to understand the existing wires shown in the picture or are you trying to wire it up?

    HERE is the manual, although not very helpful.

    The "Red and Black" are certainly the power source. I am guessing the the slave, might have something to do with a relay ... like coming from your main power timer so that the main pump has to be on in order for the booster pump to be energized by the OUT terminals. This is only a guess as the manual is not clear.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    Oh wait. Are you sure you do not have the HM-5000D which says it is capable of controlling a solar pump.

    HERE is the 5000 manual ... which confirms terminals 1 and 7 are OUT for the pump, but still does not mention the SLAVE terminals.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    I had a 4000 but the control board is bad, so I figured I would just get a 5000 and mimic the existing wiring hookup. Problem is the new controller keeps blowing its 5A fuse and I thought perhaps I wired it backwards.
    I think you are right about the slave wires. Since the solar booster is only 3/4hp and the main filter pump is 1.5hp, it looks like the previous owners didnt want the solar pump to run without the main.
    Confusingly, this new controller worked great for the first day, now blowing fuses. I am confused.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    I searched but I can't find a manual for it. Do you have a manual? I found the same manuals the JB did.

    I think you're right about the wiring, but a manual would confirm it. From what I can find terminals 1 & 7 are to power a solar pump. Terminals 3 & 4 are for 120 volt operation and 3 & 5 if you have 240 volts. Terminals 2 & 6 I can't find any clue about. I would think they may go to a timer or something that prevents the unit from running if that input is not on.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    According to the manuals, the 4000 was not capable of running a solar pump ... so that is a little odd.

    What are the extra wires sticking up in there?
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    jbizzle found the correct manual for the 5000, it is exactly the same as manual that came with the controller and as you can see, a lot of information is missing from the manual.
    The "extra" wires are meant to be the "outs" going to the booster pump. They were unhooked at the time of the photograph.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    Heliotrope General sold/sells a number of different models that all share the same face plate and terminal block. Depending on which model you have various terminals on the terminal block may or may not do anything. On the 4000 series only the power input terminals are active on the high voltage terminal block. On the 5000 series the "out" terminals are relay switched high voltage outputs for controlling a solar pump. As far as I can tell, the salve connections do not do anything on either the 4000 or 5000 series.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    You may need to try to trace all the wires to see where they are going to / coming from ... maybe that will help figure out how it should be wired.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    Anyone care to speculate on why the fuses are blowing?
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    There aren't all that many possibilities. You could be supplying too high an input voltage (quite unlikely as you are using the 230 volt inputs), or shorting one of the outputs (which also seems unlikely as I don't see anything attached to any of the outputs), shorting something else somewhere else (but where?), or the controller might be broken.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    I just looked at the picture again and noticed that you have something wired to the slave connections, which are never really explained in any of the manuals I have seen. I recommend disconnecting those wires and checking to see if that changes anything.
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    Re: Help understanding these wires

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion
    I just looked at the picture again and noticed that you have something wired to the slave connections, which are never really explained in any of the manuals I have seen. I recommend disconnecting those wires and checking to see if that changes anything.
    I will try that. I think that those are used to prevent the solar booster pump from engaging if the main filter pump is not running.
    I also think its possible that the booster pump is causing the fuse on the solar controller to blow. Seems like i need to feed power to the controller, then add the slave, then add the booster to see which component is the fuse blower.
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