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    Ok i need some help on picking the pool and dealer so far this is what I'm looking at
    http://www.thepoolfactory.com/heritage- ... -oval.html
    or
    http://www.nationaldiscountpoolsupplies ... -pool.html
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    http://www.poolsupplyworld.com/abovegro ... ?pid=84948
    PSW has no liner and at 3-500 makes a big diffrence

    I have a intex salt generator now i would like to use cause i like the salt pools and that is why the national pool appeals to me... but after lots of reading here may just do bleach. don't want to waste money, but want it to be very nice... the nation pool with the alum sides and resin bottom track, resin top and bottom couplings... but would i get it and have holes in the alum sides or missing half the parts??? Any feed back on the pools, type of pools, and dealers I'm looking at would be great. Nationaldiscountpools i have heard nothing about makes me leary.. The other i have heard only good...

    #2 filter and pumps i was looking at this
    http://www.amazon.com/Hayward-S210T93S- ... filter+210

    would it be better to get a 2 speed and buy a different/ bigger filter or would this one be just fine... is there a better priced brand with a better combo should i get a 1.5 pump and a 26" filter..... help
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Have you looked at this pool? http://www.namcopool.com/contempra
    Gunite/Plaster pool at 13k gallons. All Jandy with CL340 series cartridge filter, 1.5 HP Jandy Stealth pump. Jandy 1400 SWCG and PDA4 controller. Dual waterfalls. Polaris 280. Pool installed August 2012. Southern Louisiana. And lets not forget my trusty TF100 test kit!

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Welcome to tfp, jrr426

    For your future ~15000 gallon pool, we would recommend a sand filter that is at least 2.8 sq. ft (which is ~22 in. diameter).

    A 2-speed pump would be a good choice.

    Something like this could work: http://www.poolsupplyworld.com/Penta...0060DO2260.htm
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerGuyInNOLA
    Have you looked at this pool? http://www.namcopool.com/contempra
    i actualy have and they do look great for sure... I need an oval pool i am replacing a 15x30x48 and it sets into my deck, i plan on cutting the deck out just a bit to get a new 18x33x54 to fit...

    linen thanks for the heads up on the pump filter. for some reason ihave a hard time finding dual speed pumps... i big can i go with the sand filter befor it is to big.

    thanks jrr
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrr426
    linen thanks for the heads up on the pump filter. for some reason ihave a hard time finding dual speed pumps... i big can i go with the sand filter befor it is to big.
    The only limit on sand filter size is the ability to properly backwash it. Generally, most manufacturers recommend 15 gpm/sq.ft of filter as a minimum flow rate for backwashing. For example that 1.5 hp dynamo pump (on high) can move about 48 gpm with pretty restrictive plumbing and move about 63 gpm with fairly unrestricted plumbing. Assuming restrictive plumbing (say 1.5 inch supply side size pipe that is not too long a run), that pump could backwash properly a filter that is 48/15= 3.2 sq ft. In reality if you have 2" supply size plumbing with a relatively short run from the pool to filter, when the valve is in backwash mode you probably are closer to the 63 gpm, which would mean you could backwash properly a 63/15= 4.2 sq. ft. sand filter. Reality will probably be somewhere in between, but bottom line is, unless you have really restrictive supply side plumbing, then you don't have to worry about being too big until your filter is larger than 3.2 sq.ft (24 inch)...and most likely with good plumbing up to 4.2 sq. ft (~ 28 inch).
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    So would I be better to get that pump and maybe pair it with a sd70 or is it more cost effective to just get the bundle with the sd60
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    In the end it will most likely be cheaper to buy a combo kit like the one mentioned above. However, if money is less of an issue, then I would buy the pump and filter separately. For example, I have the Hayward matrix 2-speed 1 hp pump right now, and it works great. However I am limping my 20" diameter sand filter along that I hope to replace when a good deal on Craigslist comes along. I am a looking for a minimum 24" filter to pair with my pump.

    Just a note: I just noticed looking at pentair's site I noticed that the turnover capacity and the high speed amps for the 1.5 hp 2-speed dynamo are actually higher than the 1.5 hp 1-speed dynamo, which the backwash numbers I gave above were based on.

    I also noticed that the Starite SRCF2022DO2160 appears to be same setup as the Pentair PNSD0060DO2260 (starite is owned by pentair now). Upon googling, I found it for $499 shipped: http://www.swimmingpoolsetc.com/pent...2022do2160.htm
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Money is always an issue. I am really liking the dynamo 2 speed 1.5 hp... and i am really thinking about just getting the SD80 yes it is big but i think the pump can back flush it and i should not have to do it often.

    Also, think I'M going to get this pool. Looks like a pretty good deal.
    http://www.thepoolfactory.com/wizard/in ... /item/979/
    Unibead or overlaping liner, i kinda like the boarder look.

    Any input is greatly appreciated.

    I will try and get a picture of the pool currently this way i will have a before and after, will still be a few weeks till the buy but at least we can see the before and after.
    As always, truly appreciate the help, input, opinions, research you all give... always always appreciated
    sharkline matrix 18x33x54
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    Tf-100 can't live without it

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    Since I can't find a flow curve for the dynaflo 1.5 hp 2-speed...I looked at the flow curve for the 1.5 hp optiflo since the amperage is the same. If dynaflo curve is close to the optiflo, then it looks like that pump should be able supply the 15 gpm/sq. ft to backflush the SD80. Since you are thinking of buying separate you could also consider that optiflo (or the Hayward Matrix) 2-speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrr426
    Also, think I'M going to get this pool. Looks like a pretty good deal.
    http://www.thepoolfactory.com/wizard/in ... /item/979/
    Unibead or overlaping liner, i kinda like the boarder look.
    Any interest in a deep end?
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Deep is good, then i may consider a 52" so it would be a bit more shallow at one end. I will look at the other 2 pumps
    sharkline matrix 18x33x54
    SD80 filter
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    Tf-100 can't live without it

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    If you do a deep end you will need an expandable overlap liner. Take a look at this thread: http://www.troublefreepool.com/one-f...nd-t41164.html
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    wow look at that matrix go
    http://www.hayward-pool.com/prd/Above-G ... 034__A.htm
    model im looking at SP15932S
    link to the data
    http://www.hayward-pool.com/prd/Above-G ... 034__A.htm

    91GPM is that rite

    I will have the pump/filter next to the pool so the piping will be very short i would guess <10 to the filter and <10 feet the pool

    can i have a deep end with an oval pool are there not straps across the bottom...
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    The pool that came with my house that i am looking at taking to salvage. 15x30x48 with deck... maybe i should put it on craigs list

    http://imageshack.us/a/img560/6775/pumpheatareag.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4236/poolformend.jpg
    http://imageshack.us/a/img194/6403/poolfromdeck.jpg
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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    I would recommend going with the sp15922s (1hp 2-speed) it has plenty of flow rate for your pool/filter. Also, the 1.5 hp you showed will probably only give you slightly more flow rate then the 1 hp. You most likely will not get close to 91 gpm under normal conditions...more likely in the 50s.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrr426
    can i have a deep end with an oval pool are there not straps across the bottom...
    Some newer ovals do not have straps afaik, but the older strap models can also be modified to not have straps across the deep area (but requires some more modification/work).

    Why are you replacing your old pool? Would converting it to a deep end remove the need to replace? Your current setup looks great to me! Cheapskate here
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Quote Originally Posted by linen
    Why are you replacing your old pool? Would converting it to a deep end remove the need to replace? Your current setup looks great to me! Cheapskate here
    I wish, the liner is no good big holes. The pool walls are rusted thru at the bottome i would say 25% around and 1-3" up. the pump is froze up the the pump is cracked.. o let me count the ways.

    I talked to my wife and I think we are gona stick with all the same depth, so we can play vollley ball. it will be easer when my daughter has friends over, wont have to watch as close. (10 years old). will the 1hp pump back flush the sd80 also looking at the 24" form hayward.
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    Tf-100 can't live without it

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    Ahh, that makes sense...not sure you will get any buyers on CL for it then. Maybe the deck.

    As for the deep end, remember they are only little for a short time. Deep ends keep the pool interesting for longer. Also, children should never be left unsupervised regardless of depth.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrr426
    will the 1hp pump back flush the sd80 also looking at the 24" form hayward.
    Yes, either one.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: buy in a few weeks help

    Updated my signature I have ordered the pool and liner. I decided on the sharkline matrix 18x33x54 and a unibead liner. Pool supply world I love you! I will be buying my SD80 from them in another week or 2. Also decided on the hayward matrix 1hp 2 speed. If anyone has a good supplier for the gorilla pad at a good price would love to hear about it.
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    Tf-100 can't live without it

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