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    *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Hi Everyone! We finished our house build a few months ago, and are interested in building a 20x40 rectangular IG pool in our backyard (with a 7x7 spa). We've interviewed at least 6 pool guys (5 gunite, 1 vynil liner), and liked this guy the best by far. Also, as we were interviewing landscapers, they asked if we had considered this company, because they liked working with them. We were also surprised that their bid came in fairly competitively. Here's the bid: (I think we're just going to add the "Universal Finest Finish" (+$4500) and get a $3500 discount for keeping the dirt onsite for grading, so net +$1000).

    Pool Specifications: 120 Lnft 800 Sqft; Width 20 ft Length 40 ft
    Spa Specifications: 28 Lnft; 49 Sqft;

    Plans,Permits and Engineering:
    <Company> Pools will provide Pool Plans
    <Company> Pools will provide engineering
    <Company> Pools will pay permit costs
    All engineering inspections will be paid by others

    Excavation:
    3.5 ft shallow end depth
    8 ft deep end depth
    1 hours of grading
    1 hours of cleanup
    1 trash loads
    120 Lnft of tractor dirt walk
    <Company> Pools will pay all dump fees

    Steel:
    Shallow end vertical steel #3 @ 12
    Deep end vertical steel #3@4
    2 spa walls #3 @ 12
    1 Inside seat #3@12 vertical rebar

    Rough Plumbing and Electric:
    30 ft of 3 inch pool suction line
    135 ft of 3 inch pool return line
    40 ft of 1.5 inch pool sweep line
    20 ft of 2 inch pool main drain line
    65 ft of 3 inch Spa jet suction line
    65 ft of 2.5 inch spa jet return line
    65 ft of 2.5 inch Spa circ suction line
    93 ft of 2.5 inch Spa circ return line
    65 ft of 2 inch Spa air line
    20 ft of 2 inch cover chase line
    40 ft of 1.5 inch ozone line
    50 ft of 0.75 inch pool fill line
    Pentair autofill
    1- Pac Fab Bermuda Skimmers
    Brass anti siphon valve
    8 Waterways deluxe spa jets
    Looped spa plumbing

    Gunite:
    All gunite will be a minimum 2500 psi
    All steel will be covered a minimum of 3"
    Bond beam 12 inches thick
    Walls 6 inches thick
    Floor will be 6 inches thick
    Shallow end cove thickness 6 inches
    Deep end cove thickness 10.5 inches
    Install 1 inch x 3 inch notch in bond beam for cover inwall track receptor
    Install 12 inch cover box beam
    Install 32 inch opening on drive side and 12 inch opening on non drive side

    Electrical:
    150 Lnft of main electrical line with 3- #8 wires and a ground
    20 Lnft of 3/4 inch electrical line from equipment pad to light junction box
    80 Lnft of 1inch electrical line from light junction box to pool and spa lights
    75 Lnft of 3/4 inch pool cover switch electrical line
    Wire and install pool cover switch
    65 Lnft of spa super switch electrical line
    100 Lnft of indoor control electrical line
    Wire and install 3 - Pool pumps
    Wire and install hydraulic cover pump
    Wire and install heater
    Wire and Install Pentair intellitouch control system
    Wire and install indoor control unit
    Install Pentair outdoor load center with circuit breakers
    Wire and install pool cover switch
    Bond all electrical equipment with #8 bare copper wire
    Wire and install pool lights with #8 insulated ground and potting compound
    Wire and install spa light with #8 insulated ground and potting compound
    Install gfci lighting circuit

    GAS:
    150 Ft of 1.5 inch gas line with mimimum burial depth of 18 inches
    2 Gas tie ins with gas shut off at heater
    Mimimum 400000 Btu rated gas line
    #18 insulated copper tracer wire the length of gas line
    Gas line will be pressure tested at 15psi
    Tie in main gas line to gas meter and install gas shutoff valve at pool heater

    EQUIPMENT:
    1Pentair intelliflow variable 4x 160 variable speed pump
    1 Pentair 2 hp whisper flow spa jet pump
    1Pentair clean and clear plus 520 sqft cartridge filter
    1Pentair 400,000 btu master temp heater
    1Pentair letro booster pump
    1Pentair letro platnum pool cleaner
    1Pentair intelli touch i-9 control system
    1Pentair intellitouch indoor control
    1Pentair outdoor load center with breaker sub panel
    1Pentair IS 4 spa side remote
    1Rainbow chlorine feeder
    2Pentair sam light with 50' cord
    1Pentair sal light with 50' cord

    TILE AND COPING:
    120 Lnft of 6 inch pool waterline tile
    28 Lnft of 6 inch spa waterline tile
    14 Lnft of tile on spa damm wall cap
    120 Lnft of precast coping (Labor only)
    120 Lnft of 2.75 inch thick Kaytee precast pool coping (material only)

    POOL COVER:
    Install Aquamatic Cover Systems hydraulic pool cover
    20 Lnft of hydraulic hose
    Install custom lid system
    11 -12 inch stainless steel brackets

    PLASTER FINISH:
    Grey Plaster Finish

    Pool and Spa Total 82,900.00

    Add Options:
    Universal finest finish Plaster 4,200.00
    Endless Pools swim jet system 9,600.00
    Clearwater Tech 15gram an hour ozone system 10,350.00
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Any thoughts on the bid? Sizes of pipes, ozone, etc.?
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Also trying to decide between a sport-pool and a standard 8-ft deep end. My wife and I both really like diving boards, and also think people will be diving in anyways, so it'd be safer to actually have a deep end. OTOH, that's a lotta extra water to heat!
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    An ozone system is not needed with an outdoor pool. The sun does that job for free. That should save you $10K

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Same size pool for us almost under construction and we went diving board pool. Kids will dive, maybe not yours, but some will. Another option is an 8' pool with no board but an identified "dive zone". If I were building a diving board pool, it would be 8 1/2 or 9', not 8'. 8 is the minimum but why not get a bit of leeway, peace of mind, safety margin, even if only to help you sleep better while your teenage kids (now or in the future) are having a late night swim with their friends. Oh, I am building a pool. Guess that was my reasoning then.
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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Good point! I'll have to ask how much more expensive 8.5' is than 8'.
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Quote Originally Posted by werd98
    Good point! I'll have to ask how much more expensive 8.5' is than 8'.
    Quite honestly, for what you're spending it shouldn't cost a dime more. Our vinyl pool was originally spec'd for 3.5' and 6' respectively. We decided a day or 2 before the dig that we wanted the depth increased to 4' and 7' and our PB made it happen with no fuss. It's 10 more minutes behind the bobcat/backloader, a few extra square feet of vinyl, and 2-3 more bags of vermiculite. This is a rounding error that most PBs should be prepared to eat. Be warry of the PB that tries to nickle and dime you.
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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Our PB is flying! Started on Friday, worked every day (including Saturday!), and they are already laying pipe & steel! I'll add some pictures soon.
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    pics bro! post them!

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    Re: New pool build in San Jose, CA (with bid)

    Here are the pics.
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    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa, 7x7 Shamu shel

    Gunite tomorrow morning! Anything I should watch out for?
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: New pool build: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa, 7x7 Shamu shel

    Shooting is starting!
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    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Should be done in about 2 hours.
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    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Gunite done!
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    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    More pics.
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    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Watering the gunite 3x a day.
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Any thoughts or comments?
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    looks nice

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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Yep. Looks nice

    You never got an answer re: pipe size, but those are good sizes. Typically they're run a bit too small, but yours are nice and big!
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    Re: *Pics* New PB: 20x40 IG Gunite, 7x7 spa/7x7 Shamu shelf

    Thanks for the feedback! Now for something a bit controversial, I'm sure

    The current plan is to put all equipment about 4-5ft below water/ground level, and then cover it with a removable grate (so that it can breath). Our PB has been excellent, and he doesn't see a problem with this. Thoughts?
    Filled 5/1/2013! 36k gallon 20x40 IG with 7x7 spa, FinestFinish, AquaMatic cover, All Pentair: Clean&Clear 520 sqft cartridge filter, Intelliflow 4x160 variable speed pump, 2 HP whisper flow spa jet pump, 400k BTU MasterTemp heater, Letro Platinum pool cleaner, Rainbow 320 chlorine feeder, Pac Fab Bermuda skimmer
    More details: pics-new-pb-20x40-ig-gunite-7x7-spa-7x7-shamu-shelf-t54952.html

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