Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: FREEZE PROTECT Question

  1. Back To Top    #1

    FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Brand new pool, so brand new pool owner.
    In-ground pool with built in spa in Dallas Texas, SWG but salt hasn't been installed yet. About 16k gallons with pebble sheen.

    OK, when I look on the Jandy PDA on the Freeze Protect there is a list with several equiptment listed. Filter, Spa, Air Blower, Lights, but only Filter with X to it. The spa does not have an X next to it. But they share the same pump, so I assume this is why the PB didn't turn on Freeze protect for the spa. Does that sound correct?

    We have been using the heater for the spa the last couple of days, is there anything we need to do to protect the heater in a freeze situation?

    Thanks!
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Mod Squad Bama Rambler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    SouthWest Alabama
    Posts
    22,345

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Depending on how the spa is plumbed it may get freeze protection when the pump is running. I'd call the PB and ask that specific question. Barring that, post a pic of the equipment pad especially the valves and we may be able to figure out if there's a bypass so the spa flows water whenever the pump is running.
    Dave J. TFP Moderator
    24' x 52" Round AGP. 2hp/¼hp SPL Power-Flo 2-speed pump. 200sqft Waterway Cartridge Filter. 45MHP2(3GPD) Stenner Peristaltic Pump
    Pool School ----- Pool Math ----- TF-Test Kit

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Will do on both, thanks!
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  4. Back To Top    #4

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Pics below......thanks!
    Attached Images Attached Images
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  5. Back To Top    #5

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    and
    Attached Images Attached Images
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  6. Back To Top    #6

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    and then of course....
    Attached Images Attached Images
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  7. Back To Top    #7
    4knights's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    NE Kansas
    Posts
    416

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    I would think an X next to the pump would indicate the pump turn on at a specific temp range to prevent freezing. Not sure why the other devices would not also be marked with an X
    Ron- Kansas. IG fiberglass, Riviera 30 Freeform 13600 gallons,
    EasyTouch 4 w/IC20 SWCG, Pentair Whisperflo 1hp, 2 speed 220 pump, Hayward ProGrid 4820 DE filter using Eco Klean instead of DE, 2 Savi Melody 12v 5 color LEDs, Raypack 266k btu millivolt heater, Arctic Armour Mesh custom safety cover (Total self Install) TF-100 test kit w/Magic stir.

  8. Back To Top    #8
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Looks like you setup moves all the water through the filter and the heater ... so if the pump is on, then the heater will have moving water.

    What is the 2nd pump for? cleaner or spa jets? Might be possible that setting something the Jandy could turn it on as well.

    Does your spa spill over to the pool when the Jandy is set to Pool? That would also keep water moving through the spa plumbing.
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    The 2nd pump is for the cleaner. On the Jandy Freeze Protect screen it says it could turn on the Cleaner, but it doesn't look like they have it set.
    Is this something I should set up tonight? Is it bad to have it running for probably 8 hours?

    The Spa does spill over when set to pool, the fountain pushes it over. Thanks for your help!
    15x32 16k Gal IG riversand (pebblesheen) pool, Filter: Jandy 48 sq ft DE filter, Circulation Pump: Stealth Pump 2 hp 2 speed, SWCG, Heater Size and Electronic Ignition: Jandy LRZ400 Natural Heater, Cleaning System: Polaris 280, Spa: 8 Jets, 1 fountain, Polaris 220V 1.5HP QT blower

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Running the cleaner pump is the only way to keep water moving through those exposed pipes to prevent freezing. But, in reality, it requires longer than a few hours below 32 degrees for pipes to freeze solid and cause damage ... remember wind can speed up that process, but even then the coldest the equipment can get is the air temperature without violating the laws of physics.

    You could also throw a tarp / blanket over the equipment when the air temp is supposed to get below freezing.

    EDIT: Interesting experimental data:
    freezing-in-central-florida-t40173.html#p327663
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  11. Back To Top    #11
    Karmann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    DFW Texas (Midlothian)
    Posts
    123

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    I have an additional question to add.

    If the freeze protect turns on pumps and stuff should water feature valves be in the open position so that water is moving through the pipes?

    Is it possible to have a closed section freeze when the rest of the system is circulating (e.g. Tanning ledge bubbler)?
    Martin,
    Midlothian, TX
    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

    Click Here For My Pool Build Thread

  12. Back To Top    #12
    Mod Squad Bama Rambler's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    SouthWest Alabama
    Posts
    22,345

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    It is possible to have a closed section freeze while water is running through the rest of the plumbing, but it's not likely given your location.
    Dave J. TFP Moderator
    24' x 52" Round AGP. 2hp/¼hp SPL Power-Flo 2-speed pump. 200sqft Waterway Cartridge Filter. 45MHP2(3GPD) Stenner Peristaltic Pump
    Pool School ----- Pool Math ----- TF-Test Kit

  13. Back To Top    #13
    Karmann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    DFW Texas (Midlothian)
    Posts
    123

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    thanks for the info, and your very right it's probably not likely.

    Rather to be safe than sorry i still left mine partially open so there will be some flow if the pumps kick on.
    Martin,
    Midlothian, TX
    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

    Click Here For My Pool Build Thread

  14. Back To Top    #14

    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Kingwood , Texas
    Posts
    4

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    Interesting that this topic us up top today. I'm in Houston , last night was our 1st cold night of the year.

    About 6:00 AM I awakened to what I thought was heavy rain. When I got up I looked out and there was no rain. I quickly recognized that my pool / waterfall was on. OK , I can mark that as something else that works properly.

    What are we supposed to do when it gets really cold ? Every few years we might have a full day when it's below freezing ( In 1989 it was zero for at least 48 hours ) ... What are we supposed to do then ?

  15. Back To Top    #15
    Karmann's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    DFW Texas (Midlothian)
    Posts
    123

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    My guess is the pumps will just run the duration of the cold spell as intended.

    My wife sort of freaked out also when she saw our water descents running with the power switch off hahaha she woke me up to ask if it was normal and I said I sure hope so
    Martin,
    Midlothian, TX
    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

    Click Here For My Pool Build Thread

  16. Back To Top    #16

    Re: FREEZE PROTECT Question

    I had the same question.. I just went out to check to see if the heater actually comes on in the spa mode. My freezing cold hand came back up out of the water like a rocket. No heat... just pumps that circulate and alternate between spa and pool.
    Helen
    Dallas Area, 16,000 gal IG, Easytouch 8 computer, Intelliflo 3HP Variable Speed pool pump, Pentair Smart Pump 4x160, Pentair 3/4 HP Booster Pump, FNS 60 DE 60, Mastertemp 400, Rainbow 320, Dual Timer w/ freeze protection, Intellichor SWG, TF100 Test Kit, POOL FILLED AUG 3, 2012, ORDER YOUR TF100 KIT FROM http://tftestkits.net
    http://www.troublefreepool.com/under...ie-t49936.html

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •