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    About to begin a self-install..Questions

    First off, thanks for all the info here. I plan to start a self install IG Liner pool in the next week or so. My worry is not with the build itself, but I do have a couple of questions that may save some regret in the future. I will be building a pool house with equipment inside after the pool is in. How long after I finish the pool do I need to be circulating the water and getting the chemicals regulated? I worry that I'll have a green pond before I get the pool house ready for electrical/pump? Can I keep the mostly empty with the liner installed or do I need to fill when I install liner and backfill? Also, does anyone out there have the small (return size) savi-note led lights? I plan to use 3 in my 20 x 39 roman, but I hope that will be enough light?
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    Once you install the liner, you must fill the pool immediately. The water is what holds the liner in place. YOu could probably add chlorine as you fill but you won't be able to go much more than a few days without circulation to prevent algae.
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    Okay, makes sense. How about not installing the liner until I have my equipment pad ready, which could be a couple of weeks? Will it hurt anything to leave the poolcrete bottom exposed for a while? I could use a sump pump to avoid standing water. Thanks.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    If you use the sump pump it should be fine for a while. You can patch any place that needs it but it should be fine.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    All my pool equipment arrived today and the nervousness and excitement has set in. I will be self-installing the following as soon as the weather straightens out here in Middle TN. Any thoughts or advice.(Good or Bad) I have tried to think of everything, but I don't want to have any regrets on what I wish I'd done. Thanks in advance for all the help I know this site will provide. Will post pics asap if I can figure out how.

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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    Only thing I can think of that you forgot to mention were the pictures you are going to share, lol! Good luck on your build!
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    Are you planning on doing your own poolcrete?
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    No, I plan to sub out the pool crete, but that brings me to a question. The standard depth seems to be 2", but I plan to overdig to allow for 4". Anyone see any negatives to this idea other than more work?
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    other than more work?
    A lot more cost, too. If your soil is solid, there is no reason to go much beyond 2-3 inches.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    In the engineering world for certain types of structures extra concrete is poured in them to add weight to combat floating the structure. Extra depth poolcrete could be helpful with floating.?
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    I didn't see your location, but if you are north, your fill water will be pretty cold (55-60F) and you could go a while before needing your pump working.
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    extra poolkrete will have no affect on the structure of your pool, which won't float regardless.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    The only reason I was planning to go thicker was to reduce the tendency to crack. I assisted on a pool recently where the contractor installed 2" thick and the deep end was cracked before they finished the shallow end. It cracked while it was still wet! I just don't want any liner problems down the road with major cracks.
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    GL. We just done a semi DIY. Hired out the dig, pool bottom and liner install. Saved 10k over quoted pb price. My only advice would be have a plan and hard Budget. We went over ours by 2k but that was because we decided to add more concrete and other small overages. The electrical was $900. I was budgeting $500. Little things like that add up.


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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    It cracked while it was still wet!
    Sounds like a bad mix. I am not a poolcrete expert but I don't think the thickness will help[ much on cracking.

    A solid substrate and a precise mix is all you need.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    Update on the install. Weather has been a bit wet here in TN, but I hope to start digging on Thursday. I have a couple more questions that I know you guys can help with. 1. Is there a good thread on how to import pictures to the forum? I'd like to post some as I get started. Also, My setup will have a couple of sheer decent falls and the installation instructs DO NOT USE WITH A SAND FILTER. I know the blades are picky about debris, but I already have my sand filter on site. Anyone out there have sheer decents with sand filters? Problems? Should I add a small cartridge filter just upstream from my waterfall valves? If so what size? Thanks again for all the help. This site has been a lifesaver.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    I've never heard any warnings against sand filters before. The openings are much larger than the particles a sand filter should let through.

    As for importing pictures, the easiest thing is to get an account with a site like flickr or photobucket, upload the pictures there, and then paste the link from that site into the forum.
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    I know a person that has a waterfall and sand filter. He has never said anything about having any problems with it. GL on your build.


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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    Thanks. Hey kyle11, how do you like your aqualogic? I am trying to decide between that or Easytouch for my controller.
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    Re: About to begin a self-install..Questions

    I like the aqua logic very well. Can't compare it to anything but it does what I want it to. I plan on this week wiring up some light posts and program it to control those. I like the Ecostar combo also. I know the Ecostar has a built in timer that can do the same as far as timers go but having the option to add a wireless control that I can put in the house is nice. I think which pump you decide on decides on which one you go with though. From reading they both do about the same. One may do some things better and vice versa. Only thing I don't like is only having 4 available speeds on the Ecostar without having to go change the settings. What I mean by that is you set speed 1-4 whatever you want. Then you can go through 1-4 easily but if you want a speed in between you have to go into settings.


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