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    First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it right

    Ph 7.5
    FC 33
    CC 0
    TA 150
    CYA 90 (I know it's an issue; will drain 50% at end of season)
    CH 260

    Water is clear, but I have accumulations of green algae(?) in the same places every day even after shocking and vacuuming.
    Had FC at 24 for three days and just upped it to 33 yesterday. No appreciable drop in chlorine level overnight, but the green
    stuff keeps on showing up. (see attached photos)

    The crescent shaped ring seems to be right at the shadow line of the south & west walls.

    BTW, pool calculator and the CYA/chlorine chart have different values from each other for shock level. Which one is best to follow?
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Are you sure it is not pollen or something from outside the pool accumulating? Is it slimy?

    You can use either shock level. The chart is a little more aggressive at higher CYA values. Note that the chart value is still lower than the mustard shock level in the calculator.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Two things:
    1. What the heck is this "mustard algae" that has it's own listing and how would I identify it?
    2. At what Ch level is it safe to go into the pool and swim? Or just go in to feel the green stuff?
    One more thing--
    So do I continue to keep the chlorine level this high if the water is clear and there are less than 1 CC?

    I think we are past pollen season. The water temp has been up into the low 90's for about two weeks and leaves are starting to drop from the drought.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    It is yellow algae ... but what you have.

    Yes maintain the shock FC levels until you pass the 3 tests to stop.

    We say it is safe when the FC is below shock level, and the CC are not more than 0.5ppm, and you can see the bottom of the pool.

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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    I didn't quite understand your response: "It is yellow angae ... but what you have."
    Does that mean I have it? Mine is green and just disperses like dust except for the bigger blobs need scrubbed off.
    I upped my chlorine to 44. When doing the test, the sample gets clear, but still has some tint to it; not really red,
    but not crystal clear. Whats up with that?
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    should have said ... Not what you have.

    At high FC Levels, you likely need 2 scoops of powder ... You can not use too much, but can use too little.

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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    I'm really puzzled.
    Ph 7.5
    FC 44
    CC .5
    TC 44.5
    TA 150
    CYA 90
    FC has dropped 3 over the past two days
    So the FC doesn't drop overnight, the water is clear, but I still have this green "stuff" accumulating after scrubbing and vacuuming.
    I used to get the same type "stuff" on the bottom every couple days, but it was brown/greyish, not green. It just poofs away.
    I blew it off as particles too fine for the filter to pick up. I use a sock on the skimmer basket when vacuuming. My concern now
    is the green color. It always shows up in the same places in the same pattern like in the pictures.

    My SO thinks this BBB is hokum and alchemy and wants me to go back to the pool store, pointing to this as justification.
    Maybe a few different moderators can chime in so I can get some other perspectives.

    Help me, I'm drowning.........
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Help me, I'm drowning.........
    You have been given good advice. read "The ABC's of Pool Water Chemistry" up in Pool School. Then, read "How to Shock Your Pool" up in Pool School. It sounds like you are not shocking the pool properly......You ask whether to use the calculator or the chart for your shock value but you exceed both of them.

    What you have in your pool sure looks like algae to me and adequate chlorine and following the shock process correctly (which includes several functions) will get rid of it.

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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    It's probably not green, but yellow since yellow against a blue background looks green. Are you saying that when you vacuum it up to a skimmer sock that it looks green (and I assume the skimmer sock is white)? Since it is dust-like, it may be yellow/mustard algae or it could be pollen. If it's only on the shady side of the pool, it's more likely to be algae, but since it seems to be coming back even with very high FC, I'm guessing it's more likely to be pollen.

    If you are able to capture it in the skimmer sock, then feel it between your fingers. If it's gritty, it's dirt; if it's squishy it's pollen; if it's slimy it's algae. If you have a microscope, then look at it under magnification. Dirt is jagged and uneven and solid; pollen is solid and usually spiky; algae is translucent and usually oblong.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Thanks for the added insight.
    I do have trouble distinguishing between subtle shades of yellow and green and the blue background
    issue does complicate things.

    I got up to 49 (per pool calculator) for the mustard algae shock level due to the first response (a typo) about it being mustard algae.
    The info under the chart says that lower FC levels will work but take longer. At my CYA level, mustard shock is
    49 per the calculator, regular shock is 23.

    As an experiment, I sucked out some of the stuff and put it in a white plastic tub (our pool enty foot bath) to see what would happen.
    The stuff took 36 hours to seperate into the streaky configuration seen (maybe) in these pictures. It feels like nothing at all because it
    just disappears when I put my finger on it. It hasn't "grown" any.

    Does it look green or yellow to you?

    Thanks.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Looks yellow to me. So that could either be yellow/mustard algae or pollen, but it doesn't look like green algae. If it were yellow/mustard algae, then if you were to give it indirect light and nutrients (a little fertilizer) in the water, then it will grow whereas pollen will not. If you were able to feel it, you could also tell the difference, but there doesn't seem to be enough of it. Anyway, you are in the process of shocking for yellow/mustard algae so just follow the rest of the instructions including getting behind any light niches (if any) and under removable ladders and cleaning poles/nets, etc.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    i got something that may be off the wall but is it possible that the spots that it appears to gather in are indentations under the liner which is low spots and because of no circulation, the water just passes over it, i know in my pool i have a few low creases in the sand and everything gathers in those few spots? just a thought......Mike
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Re your SO...perhaps you should explain that by the truest BBB metric, you'd not be having 90 CYA...and that said gift of high cya was from the pool store
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Thank you all for the counsel.
    Chemgeek: The only fertilizer I have is lawn "weed n feed"; will that work for my science experiment on growing mustard algae?
    Fast1971chevelle: YES! When I changed the direction of my inlet jet and removed the steps, the pattern changed. And,
    the stuff accumulates in other low lying areas and liner seams.
    Swampwoman: Correct; but let me add that because I am frugal (cheap) last year I did not drain ANY water from my pool. I winterized
    it with a skimmer cover and thought I would save $$$ on the water bill in Spring. Now I know there is another reason
    to drain "pool store" water.

    It seems like our winter closing this year is going to occur sooner than we wish. Temps only in mid 70's and dropping down to 50's overnight.

    Thanks, again.
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    Re: First trouble with algae -- not sure if I'm doing it rig

    Quote Originally Posted by PKGuy
    Chemgeek: The only fertilizer I have is lawn "weed n feed"; will that work for my science experiment on growing mustard algae?
    No, "Weed 'N Feed" contains an herbicide in addition to a fertilizer. You just want a pure fertilizer, preferably complete (i.e. has nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium).
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