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    I'm new to TFP and looking for some help. I am having problems keeping chlorine levels up in my pool. Ran tests today:

    FC 0-0.5
    CYA well over 100
    pH 7.2
    TA 170

    I have been adding shock and tablets almost daily and still having problems. My pool is about 9000gal in-ground, sand filter.

    I am now draining 1/3 of my pool to get CYA down. Water is clear but burns eyes. I thank you in advance for your time and advice.

    Tommy
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    Re: funky readings

    Welcome to TFP!

    You very well may have to do multiple drains. The CYA test isn't accurate above 100ppm, and your real CYA level could easily be twice that. Forget about the tablets. They are the cause of your CYA issue.
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    Re: funky readings

    Thanks! I will not put anymore tablets in the chlorinator. I drained 1/3 to 1/2 of the water and currently refilling. Is there anything I need to add or do to make sure everything is in balance? Also, when do I add shock? I have about 12-15 1lb bags of pool brand shock. I also have ~12-15lbs. arm and hammer backing soda.
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    Re: funky readings

    Quote Originally Posted by tadcpht
    Also, when do I add shock? I have about 12-15 1lb bags of pool brand shock..
    NEVER!!! Especially if it is dichlor as that adds CYA faster than the pucks do.

    You need to get your CYA in range and then post up a FULL set of test results: FC, CC, pH, TA, CH, CYA

    Burning eyes is usually either the pH or CC being out of range. Your pH looks fine, so you likely have CC due to the FC level being too low for you CYA level. So ... once the CYA is correct, you likely need to go through the shock process to clear out the CCs. Then you need to maintain the FC above the minimum value for your CYA level as shown in the CYA/FC chart in Pool School using liquid chlorine (bleach).

    Start reading and re-reading Pool School if you have not already. Do you have your own good test kit (including the FAS-DPD chlorine test)? If not, order it now as you will need it to correctly go through the shock process.
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    Re: funky readings

    Thanks again.

    Once the refill is complete I will post a full set of numbers. I just got a Taylor-2005 pool test kit about a week ago, so I'll be using that for my numbers. I'll post my numbers tomorrow morning.
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    Re: funky readings

    Did you buy it locally? Unfortunately, we recommend the K-2006. The 2005 that you have is missing the most important test ... the FAS-DPD chlorine test. The DPD test in your kit is just not accurate enough and does not read high enough chlorine levels.

    You can add the FAS-DPD test to your kit and be good to go. Check it out here: http://tftestkits.net/FAS-DPD-Chlorine- ... t-p47.html and get very fast shipping.
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    Re: funky readings

    I have ordered the dpd test. but i won't get it for several days. ill still post my numbers tomorrow morning.
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    Re: funky readings

    Quote Originally Posted by tadcpht
    I have ordered the dpd test. but i won't get it for several days. ill still post my numbers tomorrow morning.
    The FAS-DPD or the DPD ... big difference.
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    Re: funky readings

    Sorry. fas/dpd. the link u sent me. will my results be useful before i get that kit?
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    Re: funky readings

    What test kit do you currently have? If it is drop based, then it is likely helpful for now.

    The key is to get the CYA in range. Then worry about the rest of the levels.
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    Re: funky readings

    Using Taylor k2005. Tests for ph, chlorine, TA, CH, cya, and bromine
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    Re: funky readings

    All you test results should be accurate with that test kit ... it is basically one of the recommended ones. The only thing that you do not currently have is the accurate FC and CC levels.

    You can also try the CYA test starting with a 50/50 mix of pool and tap water and then doubling the reading to find out how high the CYA really is.

    Replacing water is still step #1.
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    Re: funky readings

    Ok. thanks. i did a half drain and fill. might be filled by tonight.
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    Re: funky readings

    ugh. took my readings this morning. still doesn't look good.

    FC 0
    CC 0
    pH 7.4
    cya over 100 then diluted to 50/50 and it came up 80 so true is 160?
    even after the drain it's disappointing.
    TA 130
    CH 150

    i'm concerned with the FC and CC being at 0 algae will bloom while i am trying to figure this out. Pool is crystal clear.
    I will not have the money to do another drain for a while. I can only imagine what my water bill will be this time.

    Thanks for the help.
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    Re: funky readings

    Based on that cya level if you are lucky and the water is clear now then get it up to the recommended 12-19 ppm and keep it there and see what happens. If you have algae it will drop overnight more than 1ppm. You need to also check for CC and make sure those are less than or equal to 0.5ppm.

    For a 9000 gallon it appears 2 182oz bottles of 6% bleach will get you from "0" to 19 ppm. Good luck and don't forget to try to drain it down some more when you can afford to.

    If worse comes to worse you can try shocking but the goal is 35ppm which will be expensive and involve a lot of lugging big jugs around.
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    So i should bring it up to 19ppm now with liquid bleach? is it safe to swim at that level? i can get 3 clorox 182 oz for $8. so ill start there. do i need to add anything else?
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    Re: funky readings

    It is safe to swim up to shock value for your CYA. That is a FC of 35ppm ... actually higher if you use the chart and not the calculator.

    To be truly safe, the FC should also be greater than the minimum for you CYA, your CC should not be over 0.5ppm, the pH should be in range, and the water should be clear.

    Realize that water seems to be about $0.01 per gallon at most (check your bill). So another 75% drain would be around $75 at most.

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    Re: funky readings

    Just to clarify, should i add it directly in the skimmer?
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    Re: funky readings

    Also, will the cya level come down after i add the bleach
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    Re: funky readings

    You'll need a lot more than 3 of those 182 oz containers. 3 will get you started but you'll need more to maintain that level.
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