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    New construction in Dallas TX

    Just signed the contract yesterday I have been a stalker on this site for weeks and I am super excited about getting started. We spent a month getting bids and researching, but here is what we settled on:

    ~37k free form gunite with Prism Quartz
    6/8 raised spa with moss rock spill way
    tanning ledge with bubbler
    3.5-8.5 with diving board,
    Equipment is Pentair (mostly), SWG
    Easy Touch with Remote
    IntelliFlo Variable Speed Pump w/freeze protect
    ?IntelliChlor Salt Chlorine Generator
    ?DelZone Ozone Generator
    Nature II Express
    Clean & Clear Cartridge Filter 520 sq ft
    Legend Platinum Cleaner with Booster
    1.5 hp Blower
    400K BTU Heater
    26-28' Weaping wall with 4 small waterfalls
    Hand Seeded Aggregate decking (matches what we already have...lol)

    I will include the 3d drawing.

    Step 1 for us is to move the sod. We have St. Augustine (in Texas heat I know!, but I love it..lol). We would like to move this good sod to the back before construction begins. Probably do that in the next couple of weeks.
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    I would lose the ozone and Nature 2. Wasted money, IMHO. One can raise your chlorine demand while the other adds silver and copper, slow killers that can (unlikely with this product but) cause staining.

    N2's marketing claims you can run at 1/2 the chlorine. There are plenty of things not killed by them and running the chlorine at 1/2 the level slows its kill time of everything. This alarms me. It should alarm you too.

    Ozone systems need service and ergo, money, your money.

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Wow, that look like a fantastic pool.

    One regret we have is not building a larger hot tub. If you have kids, they will spend a lot of time in it, and they will want to jump into it. I'd build a 10' spa, and maybe deeper, if I were to do it again.

    St. Augustine is a PITA. In Austin, the water rations basically killed most of our 0.5 acre yard of it. I'm going to rip it up and go with something that requires less water to stay healthy.
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Thanks for the feedback! I think the Nature II came as part of a package set, I could ask them to take it out, but I'm not gonna save much money from it. I like the research I have done so far on the ozone though. Not that it will replace any other part of the pool care.

    My husband will agree about the St. Augustine...lol. I think we are gonna have bermuda seed sprayed around the perimeter of the pool. Too much Sun and the St. Augustine takes too long to grow. It's gonna be 100+ all week, not looking forward to moving the sod
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Got the lines marked today. The man is not a fan of the St. Augustine, so I think I will just let them tear it out. We will probably spray Bermuda when the pool is complete. Also, it's been 100+ all week and we are dying down here..lol

    Question: The path through the yard for construction trucks etc go over the gas/elec lines. Any input/experience on this? I surely don't want a problem.
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    I am gonna try and post as much as I can think of for future reference. Just thought of a couple more things:

    1) p-trap is required by city
    2) city requires a door alarm/door spring paper to be notarized BEFORE they approve the contractor plans.
    3) We are asking the builder to move the pool 6' over b/c it's not centered with the back of the yard.
    4) We also asked for a 60" step out on the deep end, due to comments on this forum (yay!).
    5) I did "double time" research on this forum for the ozone, and since we have at least a 20' line from the system to the pool the ozone will have more time to work on the water. I know it's not recommended and I sure hope I have good things to say after it's built.
    6) I did more research on DE vs Cartridge, and I seem more ok with Cartridge based on the following observations from this forum and YouTube...
    6a) DE requires buying more bags of stuff
    6b) DE requires adding the de to the skimmer between backwashes
    6c) backwashes drain extra water from your pool
    6d) after the backwashes gunk up your filters (and pressure goes higher) you need to service the DE filter or become a good DIY to do this yourself. This is the same step as Cartridge anyway.
    6e) For our layout the builder will have to drill all through the front yard with hundred of dollars to get to the sewer line.
    6f) Cartridge is sized well for our pool
    6g) The step for DE to clean filter are similar to the steps to clean the Cartridge filter (minus the backwashing and DE powder additions).

    So based on those factors we are currently in favor of keeping the Cartridge, any thoughts?

    Getting sooooo ready for something to happen! I can't wait!
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Happy 236 Birthday America!!

    No movement on the pool yet
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    oh my goodness, the wait is killing me. Does it always take this long at first? We are thinking city approval pool closing will be this week and hopefully something starts next week.
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Still waiting, but we are seeing the light. We think the permit stuff etc will finish up next week. Know what the irony is, I will probably be on business travel when the pool breaks ground

    I will beg the fam to get pics for me and of course I will share

    In the meantime, here's some pics of the starting point..
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    nice BIG house you have there bro

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    Oh, haha..well, we heart this place, thank you!
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Wow, you have a great design there I can't wait to see progress pics.
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    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Quote Originally Posted by arvven
    I am gonna try and post as much as I can think of for future reference. Just thought of a couple more things:

    1) p-trap is required by city
    2) city requires a door alarm/door spring paper to be notarized BEFORE they approve the contractor plans.
    3) We are asking the builder to move the pool 6' over b/c it's not centered with the back of the yard.
    4) We also asked for a 60" step out on the deep end, due to comments on this forum (yay!).
    5) I did "double time" research on this forum for the ozone, and since we have at least a 20' line from the system to the pool the ozone will have more time to work on the water. I know it's not recommended and I sure hope I have good things to say after it's built.
    6) I did more research on DE vs Cartridge, and I seem more ok with Cartridge based on the following observations from this forum and YouTube...
    6a) DE requires buying more bags of stuff
    6b) DE requires adding the de to the skimmer between backwashes
    6c) backwashes drain extra water from your pool
    6d) after the backwashes gunk up your filters (and pressure goes higher) you need to service the DE filter or become a good DIY to do this yourself. This is the same step as Cartridge anyway.
    6e) For our layout the builder will have to drill all through the front yard with hundred of dollars to get to the sewer line.
    6f) Cartridge is sized well for our pool
    6g) The step for DE to clean filter are similar to the steps to clean the Cartridge filter (minus the backwashing and DE powder additions).

    So based on those factors we are currently in favor of keeping the Cartridge, any thoughts?

    Getting sooooo ready for something to happen! I can't wait!
    Stick with the cartridge, period. Unless it's too late; use AquaPerl as the alternative media for your DE Filter.

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    OK, SOME progress..The city approvals are in and we are ready to go..ironically? The lines need to be remarked before they will let the big trucks in...lol

    Confirmed today that I can't cancel my travel for work next week..I am going to hang some teenagers if they don't send me pics
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Darn work always gets in the way! good luck on the build, I love these threads!
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Quote Originally Posted by arvven
    OK, SOME progress..The city approvals are in and we are ready to go..ironically? The lines need to be remarked before they will let the big trucks in...lol

    Confirmed today that I can't cancel my travel for work next week..I am going to hang some teenagers if they don't send me pics

    Iím amazed how 2 cityís so close to together can have such different requirements building a pool.

    I bleed red dirt as a born and raised Texan, but I have never liked the hurdles the city of Dallas makes their residents jump over for some of the most simplistic task.

    Again, Iím looking forward to your progress pictures because your design is absolutely beautiful.
    Martin,
    Midlothian, TX
    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Thank you Karmann!! I talked to the builder today and they said they are working to schedule the excavation next week with their contractor. *sigh* I can't wait!! OK, well I can, I want it done correctly..lol
    28,500K, 520sqft cartridge filter, prism quartz pebble antigua, Pentair Intelliflo SWG, Pentair Legend Platinum robot, date TBD

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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    Quote Originally Posted by arvven
    DelZone Ozone Generator
    Nature II Express
    Definitely consider dumping both of these. The ozone is practically useless in a residential pool. See: http://www.troublefreepool.com/maint...3.html#p358992

    The nature II express uses cartridges that are expensive and it adds copper and silver to your pool which is not needed if the pool is properly chlorinated. Copper in high enough concentrations can turn blond hair green and stain pool surfaces. You will still need chlorine with it.

    See: http://www.troublefreepool.com/alter...uth-t3025.html
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    I asked about a couple of changes to the pool. I am getting the impression from here on out its gonna cost ALOT to make changes.. Warning to other buyers, get all of it on the paper before the contract is signed..lol
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    Re: New construction in Dallas TX

    If they haven't started digging yet it should just be an adjustment IMO. We added things like more decking or full seat in the spa and our builder just charged us for the extra materials.
    Martin,
    Midlothian, TX
    Pool built in August 2012, 17.2k gallons, IG Gunite/PebbleTec (Midnight Blue), 1k sq ft Washed Aggregate decking, Jandy Stealth 2HP Pump shared with Spa, Aqua-Pure Salt-Gen, Jandy 1.5hp wtr feat pump, Jandy CV580 Cart Filter, Jandy AE3000TR Heat Pump w Chiller, Polaris 280 with Booster, Dual Time Clocks with freeze protect feature, Jandy Pool (2) and Spa (1) Multi LEDs, 2 Skimmers, 4 Pool Returns, 6 Spa Jets, water features incl 3' sheer descents and spa spillway

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