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    Install Day 1... to be continued...

    Today is our install, just got a call from the dealer that they are OUT of the pool we ordered So he asks, can you fit a 30' pool instead of a 27' one.... I've agreed to the 'upgrade'. I had already bought gorilla pad for the 27' so they are throwing in perfect bottom in exchange for my gorilla pad.

    I had intended to put a 3' circle around the pool of rock so I already have a 33' circle painted... the question is...

    * Is 3' preferred (meaning a 36' circle) or can I get away with 1.5'-2'? I've already got the landscape edge on hand, adding more isn't a huge deal but it will cost. I realize I got a nice upgrade for no more money but that my future costs of liner/etc have also gone up. I'm planning to have the installer excavate out to my landscape circle so let me know your thoughts -- do I need to bring it out some more?

    * Should I expect the installer to charge me his 30' install price??? I totally forgot to ask the dealer and figure I'll ask the installer when he arrives. We're stretched at this point. I don't want to be unfair to the installer, but it's not my fault either! To be fair, he has the ability to do 2 installs today within a block of each other.


    I guess I'll use this as my install thread and go ahead and post some prep pictures I know how far pictures go to happy posters around here
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    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    I don't think the installer would charge any if much difference for a 30 instead of a 27... I would think a round is one price and an oval another, unless you are talking the smallest round vs. the largest.

    As far as excavation for your landscaping, that is really a personal preference I believe. If you have a hearty grass or chance of nutgrass growing up to and through the liner the extra size might be a good thing. Also, we planted some landscaping around the pool in that area... so far 3 years and no ill effects from the plants being there and no roots imposing on the liner.
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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by Suziqzer
    I don't think the installer would charge any if much difference for a 30 instead of a 27... I would think a round is one price and an oval another
    I believe this is correct and the only price difference is round vs oval and if they have to level more than 12"

    I'm assuming the installer they use will operate similarly to the one who did ours even though they contract these guys and ours wasn't actually working for Atlantis.

    Our rock around the pool is roughly 1.5' I think it's just the right amount, but a little smaller or larger wouldn't be a problem.

    Do you have an electrician scheduled? (or is the equipment going somewhere not pictured)
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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Electrician comes tomorrow He didn't want to dig before pool and be in the way - we have to leave electric uncovered here until after inspection is complete.

    More pictures My circle is coming together -- more grading.
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    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Waiting for the sand.
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    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Is is the same filter as you would have gotten with the smaller pool? You pool volume went up ~25% so it would be nice if the filter did as well (or more since so often filters are undersized for pool volume).
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Yes, but I think it was heavily sized for the 27... It's a 26" 400 pound sand filter. Same one they would have sold with 30' Does it seem right? Oh, and pump is two speed. Speedo had same one and just runs it on low
    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Bethy or Speedo - could you please post the model number of the pump? I'm trying to decide on a combo unit or ordering a separate filter and pump.

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    This is what I have from the dealer: Haven't gone out to compare to the one sitting in my yard

    Pump: PM2201-6 -- 2hp 2speed pump
    Filter: 522-5371-6MH -- 400lb 26" sand filter

    Speedo has a 24' pool and a smaller sand filter I believe... This is a very large egg shaped one.
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    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Looks familiar
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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    Yes, but I think it was heavily sized for the 27... It's a 26" 400 pound sand filter. Same one they would have sold with 30' Does it seem right? Oh, and pump is two speed. Speedo had same one and just runs it on low
    For your 21000 gallon pool, you would not want to go any less than that size filter...that is a 3.7 sq. ft. filter and our recommendation would be a 3.8 sq. ft. minimum, but your is close enough
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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Hi Linen. Don't want to hijack this thread, but were can I find the recommendations for minimum filter size. I have searched, but can't locate that information. Thanks.

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by linen
    Is is the same filter as you would have gotten with the smaller pool? You pool volume went up ~25% so it would be nice if the filter did as well (or more since so often filters are undersized for pool volume).

    Yikes! I agreed to 4000 more gallons of water We can fit it, and they always say get as big as you can fit... so I guess this is a good thing.
    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    Yikes! I agreed to 4000 more gallons of water We can fit it, and they always say get as big as you can fit... so I guess this is a good thing.
    In general I would agree, but what that ignores is some of the equipment decisions that need to be made that can add significantly to the cost/complexity of the project. With that said, IMO, 27-30" round agp's are kind of the edge that going over requires also going to non agp equipment (and the cost goes up).
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    I hear ya. Hopefully this will work out in the end. I hate last minute changes. At least it's not a 33 like my neighbor, that thing is gorgeously huge!
    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Done for today....

    Guess the extra time at the warehouse, extra sand, extra blocks, and fact that the installer was told this is at no additional cost to me means we'll finish up on Sunday...


    The guy said this is the equipment they use on the ingrounds... he even went on to say the reason they are including these with all the pools is because they are out of the smaller ones. All I can say is that I'm really glad I already found out how to care for my own pool so that if I survive installation I can be free!
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    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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    Re: Install Day 1... to be continued...

    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    The guy said this is the equipment they use on the ingrounds
    Filter maybe, pump maybe not (agp are typically not self priming).
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Install Day 1... to be continued...

    WOW! That's big...

    Enjoy!
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    Re: Pool change on install day -- need quick advice :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    The guy said this is the equipment they use on the ingrounds... he even went on to say the reason they are including these with all the pools is because they are out of the smaller ones.
    Yeah, NO! That's the same one that came with my package. 2hp Waterway 2-speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by linen
    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    The guy said this is the equipment they use on the ingrounds
    Filter maybe, pump maybe not (agp are typically not self priming).
    ...He did mean the pump too!
    EDIT: or maybe they dig a hole for the equipment pad so it's lower than the pool!

    Quote Originally Posted by BethyM
    Guess the extra time at the warehouse, extra sand, extra blocks, and fact that the installer was told this is at no additional cost to me means we'll finish up on Sunday...
    Meaning no work done tomorrow or Saturday? Or it will actually take them three full days!?
    Aaron
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    Meaning he has another pool booked tomorrow and apparently isn't working on Saturday. It maybe old school, but I really hate having work done on Sundays... what do you do though? My kids birthday is Tuesday and he'd very much like to turn blue in my freezing pool.

    Agreed on the pump/filter - the only part that maybe true is that they are putting the larger sand filter cause they are out of the 200lb.

    I think the installer has a reasonable beef with the pool co. if his expenses were higher and he's not being compensated more. If they would have busted tail to get it done today, I would have included some money to cover materials. Hopefully the delay is because he's working it out with the pool co. and we'll be happy and swimming by this time next week
    Vogue Vectra 30' Round (21,200 gallons), Waterway 2HP 2-speed, 27" sand filter - TF100 -- Southern IL - Install 06/2012
    Last minute upgrade from 27' due to error in dealer inventory *yikes*

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