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    Does this make sense?

    Last night, after shocking for most of the afternoon, i took my final chlorine test for the night. At 830pm this is what i got FC: 18.5 and CC: 0.5. This morning at 530 i took a test and this is what i got, FC: 10.5 CC: 0.5. I had to work all day so nothing got added today. when i got home from work i took another test at 430 and got FC: 6 CC: 0.5.

    what i don't understand is if organisms break down chlorine, and so does sunlight, why didn't i lost more FC during the day when the sun AND the organisms were breaking down the chlorine? it doesn't make any sense to me why i would only lose 4.5 FC during an 11 hour period where the pool probably recieved 8 hours of sun, but 8.5 during a 9 hour period at night. am i missing something? help please.

    i tested everything else 2 days ago and my results were:
    PH 7.5
    TA 110
    TH 200
    CYA 40
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    Re: Does this make sense?

    I'm guessing you killed most of the organisms last night, which ate up more of your chlorine. Today during work, the majority were dead, and therefore, ate less chlorine You are in the home stretch!!
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    Re: Does this make sense?

    So you lost 8 ppm of your FC overnight. You aren't finished until you have gotten to where you lose no more than 1 ppm of FC overnight. Keep going! What test kit are you using?

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    Re: Does this make sense?

    I just don't understand why I lost more at night than during the day. I have a tf-100. Shouldn't I lose more during the day?
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    Re: Does this make sense?

    You have CYA to protect against sunlight, but it doesn't help the organisms any...
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    Re: Does this make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by vanmic35
    I just don't understand why I lost more at night than during the day. I have a tf-100. Shouldn't I lose more during the day?
    I thought the same thing when I was fighting algae, but learned a helpful tip - think of FC loss as a percentage instead of just the delta. when you look at it that way, you lost almost the same amount:

    Night reading:
    18.5 - 10.5 = 8 ; 8 / 18.5 = 43.24% loss

    Day Reading
    10.5 - 6 = 4.5 ; 4.5 / 10.5 = 42.86% loss

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    Re: Does this make sense?

    Very good point. Did not think of it that way. Thanks.
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    Re: Does this make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyM
    Quote Originally Posted by vanmic35
    I just don't understand why I lost more at night than during the day. I have a tf-100. Shouldn't I lose more during the day?
    I thought the same thing when I was fighting algae, but learned a helpful tip - think of FC loss as a percentage instead of just the delta. when you look at it that way, you lost almost the same amount:

    Night reading:
    18.5 - 10.5 = 8 ; 8 / 18.5 = 43.24% loss

    Day Reading
    10.5 - 6 = 4.5 ; 4.5 / 10.5 = 42.86% loss

    Tony

    Hmmmm. Applying that same method,

    10 - 2.0 = 8 ; 8 / 10 = 80% loss? Can't be. And in your above example, 6 is more than half of 10.5, so therefore your loss is over 50%.

    It should be:
    (10. 5 / 18.5) * 100 = 56.76% loss for his night reading and,

    (6 / 10.5) * 100 = 57.14% loss for his day reading.

    Your calculations would have worked if you carried it one step further and applied the inverse, i.e. subtracted your final answers from 100.

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    Re: Does this make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by feetr2c
    10 - 2.0 = 8 ; 8 / 10 = 80% loss? Can't be. And in your above example, 6 is more than half of 10.5, so therefore your loss is over 50%.
    Yes, the above example would be an 80% loss.

    If FC = 10 and then went to 2, that would be a loss of 8, or a 80% reduction. the ending number (2) is 20% of 10.

    *The above example would also send me into a full-out algae panic, causing me to lose 80% of my chlorine inventory

    Quote Originally Posted by feetr2c
    It should be:
    (10. 5 / 18.5) * 100 = 56.76% loss for his night reading and,

    (6 / 10.5) * 100 = 57.14% loss for his day reading.
    You are dividing the ending FC number by the original FC number, which is not the amount lost. You formula is determining the current level of chlorine (in percentage), assuming the high number (18.5) is the max and 0 is the low (which is why your number + my number = 100%).

    Look at the first example; The original FC was 18.5. Just to make things simple, 50% loss (half) would mean the ending test would show 9.25 FC (18.5/2). Any number larger than half would be a percentage loss less than 50% - any number less than 9.25 would be a larger loss than 50%. He went from 18.5 to 10.5, which meant he lost less than half of the FC, or .4324324 (43.24%).

    Enough with the math... lets go swimming
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    My bad.... I only looked at your formula and read it that he lost 10.5 and ended up with 8, if which, then my calculations would've been correct. I understand now. And yes. A swim is in order

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    Re: Does this make sense?

    Things are looking better. My fc went from 4.5 last night to 3 this am. Im almost there. Hopefully tonight I can pass.
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