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    AGP purchase...my first post

    My family is looking at purchasing an agp. We were quoted $3500.00 for a 27ft round aqua leader vogue sentinelle 54" kit.
    Pool Specs:
    top ledge-10"resin
    uprights- 8" resin
    bottom rails -resin
    top& plates-resin
    warranty- 60yrs-3yrs@100%

    Items included are as follows:
    Upgraded liner
    Hayward wide mouth skimmer
    Jacuzzi 19" sand filter w/ 1hp pump
    1 1/2 x 35' vacuum hose
    Maint.kit(vac.head,brush,skimmer net vac.pole etc.)
    200# filter sand
    confer A-frame ladder
    Pool cove
    Liner gaurd
    slabs
    winter cover
    plastic pump base

    Does this sound like a reasonably good deal? I am new to pools and want to do it right the first time. Is it a better choice to purchase online and piece a pool together? If so what are some comparable pools to the above at online stores? Also what online stores come highly recommended in general. Lots of them on google, a bit overwhelmd here. Thanks for any help and assitance giving.

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    Sounds like a good price, but I'd think about upgrading the size of that sand filter to at least 22".
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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    Price sounds okay. I agree with Woody, you will want a much bigger filter than that. In addition, if they will do it, get a 2-speed pump, but 1 hp (3/4 hp might be better) is probably okay if you go with a larger filter.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    I may be able to leave out the filter and pump. Which pump and filter do you recommend? I am on well water and live on a dusty road although the pool will be roughly 100 ft.from the road. Would you recommend a sand or cartridge filter? Thanks for the help

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobob
    Would you recommend a sand or cartridge filter?
    That is a controversial topic. All three filter types will do the job (DE is the third). I personally like sand, since I find it is the easiest, but others will have reasons for the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobob
    I may be able to leave out the filter and pump. Which pump and filter do you recommend?
    For your pool size:
    For sand we would recommend at least a 3.2 sq. ft filter (about 24" diameter).
    For cartridge we would recommend a 260 sq. ft. filter.
    For DE we would recommend a 24 sq. ft. filter.

    Generally the bigger the filter the better, though sand filters do need a minimum backwash flowrate to flush right.

    For pump recommendations, we need more details on your build, pipe diameter, length of runs, other features such as solar, etc.

    Most likely a good choice would be a 1 hp hayward matrix 2-speed or the pentair equivalent, but again we need more information.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    The install will be done professionally. The pump/filter will most likely be next to the pool with a standard install on piping i'm assuming. They never said anything about pipe size etc. Not sure what you mean by solar?? Can you put any pump on any filter. Any good online retailers you recommend?

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobob
    The install will be done professionally. The pump/filter will most likely be next to the pool with a standard install on piping i'm assuming. They never said anything about pipe size etc.
    I would ask for 2" pvc if possible, though they are probably assuming the cheap flexible corrugated 1.5" in tubing. You may not have a choice here with typical agp installers.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobob
    Not sure what you mean by solar??
    Solar heat exchange panels to heat the pool water...sounds like you are not considering that, which is fine. It can effect what pump you would buy.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitrobob
    Can you put any pump on any filter.
    They are separate parts, but many manufacturers pair them together on something called a skidpack. Most of those skidpacks have too big of a pump and too small of a filter (such as the one you were quoted).
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    Just got off the phone with the pool store and they said they will take $399 off the total for the Jacuzzi pump/filter combo. What size pump/filter do you recommend for a 24ft x 54 tall . We may have to downsize to a 24ft from the 27ft after measuring the yard.

    Thanks for the help linen.

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    Re: AGP purchase...my first post

    The 1 hp pump is fine, even a 3/4 hp is fine.

    I'd recommend a 3/4 or 1 hp 2-speed and close to a 250 lb sand, 200 sqft cartridge, 48 sqft DE filter.
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