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    First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    Hi all,

    My family are ready to build our first pool, we got two bids so far. The following bid is quite attractive, but is there any thing I want to modify for better pool performance.
    I will change to variable speed pump for extra $500. Add two deck jets for $450. Change the depth to 5ft and change the sun shelf to a shallow water area about 2.8 ft that is about 1/4 the size of the pool for my young son. I perfer salt water system but PB said not a good idea because of the corrosive nature.
    Thank for all the help.

    Perimeter 102
    Surface area: 530
    Size: 14’6x41’
    Pool style: free form
    Gallons: (APPROX)
    Depths; 3’6-7’

    POOL/SPA MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT
    FILTER: PENTAIR 420 SQ. FT cartridge filter
    FILTER PUMP: PENTAIR 2.0 H P Whisperflo PUMP
    SKIMMERS: Two HAYWARD AUTO SURFACE SKIMMER
    POOL LIGHT: One LED light
    POOL CLEANER: Polaris 280
    MAIN DRAINS: Two 8” POTS SEPARATE LINE TO EQ.
    POOL INLETS: Six ADJUSTABLE RETURN INLETS

    POOL/SPA STRUCTURAL SPECIFICATIONS
    STEEL: #4 STEEL CONTINUOUS AROUND BEAM
    STEEL: #3 STEEL AT 8” O.C ON WALLS AND FLOOR
    GUNITE: 6.1 CEMENT AND SAND RATIO
    GUNITE BEAM: 12” PNEUMATICALLY APPLIED @ 4000 PSI
    GUNITE FEATURES: WALLS/FLOOR/LEDGES AS PER PLAN

    PLUMBING SPECIFICATIONS
    CONTRACTORS TO PROVIDE ALL PLUMING FROM POOL/SPA TO EQUIPMENT PAD AS SHOWN ON PLAN OR AS SPECIFIED IN THIS PROPOSAL.ALL PLUMBING MATERIAL USED WILL BE 2”SCHEDULE 40 PVC PIPE AND FITTINGS.
    38 feet from Spa to Equipment

    GAS
    Gas connection from meter to Heater with regulator
    30 total feet

    ELECTRICAL SPECIFICATIONS
    ALL ELECTRICAL INCLUDED FROM MAIN BOX TO EQUIPMENT PAD, FROM PAD TO POOL/SPA LIGHTS WITH (1) 110 OUTLET WITH GFCI AT EQUIPMENT PAD.
    175 total feet

    TILE AND COPING
    Flagstone coping with Standard tile
    Trim Tile on all steps and benches

    PLASTER
    White Pebble

    DECK SPECIFICATIONS
    456 SQ. FT of 4” Concrete with 3/8” Steel at 18” O C
    170‘of drains out of decks ran to street with 5 drain heads and 2 down Spouts
    4 deck sleeves
    P-Gravel finish

    Spa Specifications
    6 jets
    One 2.0 H P air blower
    One 400,000 B T U Master Temp Heater

    Two main drains
    One LED spa light
    Standard Spa Spillway
    7’ round
    Not raised 18”

    POOL MAINTANANCE EQUIPMENT SPECIFICATIONS
    TELESCOPIC POLE
    12” DELUXE VACUUM HEAD
    40’ VACUUM HOSE
    18” METAL BACK WALL BRUSH
    SKIMMER NET
    4-1 TEST KIT

    PB WILL PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING AFTER COMPLETION OF POOL
    START -UP
    CUSTOMIZED POOL SCHOOL
    BALANCE CHEMICALS AND STABILIZE WATER

    Additional Features
    Fill Line
    One Overflow Line out of decks tied to 4” Drains
    Sun Shelf Per Plan with Bubbler tied to Returns
    One 6’ Bench

    PDA 4 wireless pool/spa control system

    2 sections of fence up after completion
    6 Return lines
    Small Tractor Dig
    Nature 11 Purification system

    Warranties
    One year from PB on Material and Workmanship. Lifetime Structural warranty and various Manufacturers warranties.

    TOTAL $ 38,750.00

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    A couple of things:

    1, your plumbing looks like overkill to me, this is a GOOD THING, I would just make sure with all those returns and suction lines that they are individualy plumbed with shut off valves and not just one big loop, this way if there is ever a leak you can isolate it.

    2, I would go with 5-6 inch for concrete decking, 4 inch can work for sidewalk areas, etc, but I feel safer when it is a bit thicker

    3, Ditch the Nature II system, the general feeling around here is using them and your asking for trouble,

    4, Why do you want a variable speed pump?
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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    The one thing I noticed is the pool light. I don't think one led is enough for a 41' pool. Our is a little shorter and our two led's are just barely enough.

    I'd get a couple of more bids just to get familiar with the specs and pricing. We learned a lot from each builder we talked to.
    23x40 freeform w/spa, 28,000 gal. PCC-2000 in-floor cleaning. Pebble Sheen w/flagstone coping. 14' weeping wall, (2) 18" sheer descents. Sta Rite- cart 400 sqft. filter, Intellipro VS pump, 1hp (cleaning)2hp (water feature)Max E Pro's. Easy Touch 8 function w/IPod. Rainbow chlorinator, Paramount Clear O3 (I know, I know), Max-E-Therm 400K heater.

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    I was hoping the variable speed pump will be quieter since the pump will be right outside the masterbath.

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    Few more appointments with different PBs. Will see. This bid is $5000 cheaper from the first bid I got. This PB just asked for my last bid and giave me a price based on what that bid was.

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    There is a big premium on the price for variable speed pumps, you might consider a 2 speed one instead, that way you can run in on low when your not vacuuming, etc. Also I second the bit about needing more than 1 light, upgrading the lighting will be one of the things on my to do list next time my 20x40 needs a new vinyl liner, if nothing else a single light in a pool casts some big shadows.
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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    I also think you will need 2 LED lights for a pool that size...one on each end.

    Also, consider travertine instead of flagstone...and spraydeck instead of peagravel. Flagstone and pea gravel decking = HOT in TX. That was what my last pool coping/decking had, and my new pool is MUCH cooler with the travertine and spraydeck. The flagstone used to get so hot you couldnt sit on the edge of the pool in the heat of summer. The pea gravel you had to run to a shady spot or it would burn your feet. The spray deck by comparison is much cooler.

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    That seems like a really good price. Agree with the other poster about the extra LED light

    double check the wireless system to see if it can change the temperature in the spa or if it just turns things on and off

    We got a two speed pump and are very happy with it. We keep it on low speed where it uses about 180 watts to circulate most of the day. We use the higher speed (I think it is 800 watts) to skim the surface clean and to run the spa jets. It is less expensive than a variable but has good energy savings

    Our filter is larger at 525 sq ft cartridge filter. PB said that means we will have to clean it much less often.

    We found pebble to be really rough so went with quartz. Usually pebble has a pretty big premium so you might save a lot without it.

    Our pool which is probably about the same size (shorter, but wider) was 65K in austin. The main thing we got beyond yours was a patio cover. Probably 5-6K of materials.
    17,800 gallon, IG pool, 595 sq feet (17x35x4.5 avg rectangle), Hayward 525 cartridge filter, diamondbrite, 2 hp 2 speed hayward tristar filter, Stenner 45mhp10 automatically chlorinating

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    It looks like a very good bid, however the skeptic in me wonders why it seems so comparatively low considering all that is included? 41'x15' while somewhat narrow is still a fairly big pool and your equipment list is pretty substantial. I'd get 1 or 2 more quotes and mabey ask to visit 1 or 2 of his projects before signing the contract.

    Good luck!
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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    Hi Neighbor!

    We recently went through the same pool bid process. Your quote is right in line with the 5 bids we received. Yet, all of mine were flawed in one way or another.

    I don't know why the local pool builders insist on the flagstone coping. I insisted I did not want flagstone yet every builder put it into their bid.
    Ditch the flagstone and a salt is a good option.

    Be aware of some of the "gotcha's". Make sure everything is in writing. The contract most likely says they are not responsible for any damage.
    So make sure your utilities are not in the way. They will be your responsibility.

    4" decking is fine. Just make sure 450 sq/ft is enough.
    Pool is DONE!
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    Pentair Easy Touch 8 + actuators + swg
    Pentair IntelliPH
    Pentair 400btu HD heater
    3- Jandy WaterColor LED's
    Hayward C5030 525sqft cartridge filter
    Waterway spa blower

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it.
    Talked to three more PBs yesterday, each has it own good.
    Is quartz durable? One PB told me quartz is less durable than pebble.

    What color of water people like here? Dark blue or sky blue?

    Very anxious to get it starts ASAP, yet can't forgo the the comparative process.

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    From what I understand, the pebble plaster pools are more durable than quartz. I also heard they last the longest if you take care of them.

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    Quote Originally Posted by neuro0
    Thanks for the comments. I appreciate it.
    Talked to three more PBs yesterday, each has it own good.
    Is quartz durable? One PB told me quartz is less durable than pebble.

    What color of water people like here? Dark blue or sky blue?

    Very anxious to get it starts ASAP, yet can't forgo the the comparative process.
    Pebble is more durable than quartz, but quartz is more durable than plaster. If you learn the BBB method and take good care of your pool chemistry, even plaster can last 20 years. Pebble has different types, pebble tech has larger pebbles but is the roughest, pebble sheen has smaller pebbles but isnt as durable. Pebble fina has the smallest and is the least durable. Im not sure if quartz is more like pebble sheen or fina, but I think pebble fina. (pebble tec is a brand by the way)

    We like dark water and went with midnight blue diamondbrite - which is very dark.

    The quartz is almost too rough for us still, but we are happy with it. Plaster is very smooth like polished concrete.
    17,800 gallon, IG pool, 595 sq feet (17x35x4.5 avg rectangle), Hayward 525 cartridge filter, diamondbrite, 2 hp 2 speed hayward tristar filter, Stenner 45mhp10 automatically chlorinating

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    Re: First pool bid analyze-- Houston area

    We like dark water and went with midnight blue diamondbrite - which is very dark.
    March2012 - we are considering Midnight Blue Pebbletec as my wife really likes the darker colors. Have you had any issues with the water being too warm? That's my only reservation. We live in The Woodlands, and although the pool will get full sun in the middle of the day, it will be shaded until late morning and again late in the afternoon. Any thoughts or input?

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