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    Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Ok, so I will let you know what I've done and where I stand so far. This is my first year with a SWG. I went with a Compu-Pool CPSC 36. I have a 33' round x 54" deep pool. B I also put in a new two speed pump this year. I started off with liquid chlorine, algae block, and muriatic acid to start with before installing the SWG. Our cover blew in from the storms this year and ended up being jungle green. I wanted to get to a base to start with before adding the SWG. Anyhow, now I have the SWG installed and am very close to being clear. Still a little milky, not bad.

    My numbers so far are:
    Chlorine = about 2.5
    pH = 7.2
    Salt = 3900

    Not really sure where I need to be. I thought salt couldn't be tasted until 5000 ppm? I have a slight taste of salt. Also, I have the SWG set to 80% output. I also only have it generating from 11 p.m. until 1 a.m. and then again from 4 a.m. until 6 a.m. So, a total of four hours daily. Do I need to change the output and generating times?

    Like I said, I don't have much experience with SWG. I will take all of the advice you can give. Thanks!
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Welcome to the forum. We'll need some more complete test results....particularly CYA. but also CC's, CH, and TA along with what you have posted.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    What level you can taste salt varies from person to person. The range is about 2,000 to 4,000, with the average around 3,000 for just being able to notice there is salt in the water.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    That is the only thing I have ever tested. Newbie!!!! Anyhow, I guess I need to look at getting a more comprehensive testing kit. Do you have any advice on the results that I can test for?
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Do I need to change the SWG generating times? Is 2 x 2 hour generating times sufficient enough?
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    You have to experiment to find out how much you need to run the SWG. It varies with every pool and with the water temperature.

    You want to be able to measure at least FC, CC, PH, TA, CH, and CYA.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Ok. I am looking at the TF-100 test kit now. I am also looking at the SpeedStir and the R-0013 CYA Refill - 8 0z. Should that cover me for a while?
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Everyone who gets the speedstir loves it. I wouldn't get the R-0013 just yet. There is enough R-0013 in the kit for about two years worth of tests.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Ok. Thanks for the advice!!!! So, the TF-100 and the Speedstir should have me covered for a while? Also, what are the output percentages and generating times that everyone else uses? Just gives me an idea if I am even close.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    You should be fine with the T100 and the Speedstir... jealous of the Speedstir, I want one but can't get myself to spend the $$.

    Your manual should give you a general idea of where to start with time for running the SWG for your size of pool. It will vary with a lot of things... water temperature, sunlight exposure, cya level, bather load, etc. It's kind of trial and error at first but you'll get it rather quickly.

    Also, if your water is cloudy, you will need to shock, see pool school, and make sure you pass all 3 parts of the test. Don't expect your SWG to get you to or to maintain shock level for you, it likely won't keep up with the demand for shocking. I wouldn't have more than 25-30ppm of cya to shock unless it's already in the pool. That way you can shock at a lower chlorine level which will save you $$.

    My pool is pretty low in salt for a salt pool... keep it at the lower level of the operating zone between 2500-3000 and I can taste the salt. We've had swimmers in the pool ask us if it was salt and others that don't notice it at all. I think it varies person to person as to whether you notice it or not. It bothered me at first, but now I prefer it to the taste of chlorine in public pools!!

    Welcome to the SWG group! You will love it!
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Ok, so I received my TF-100 in the mail today and was excited to try it out. Got my results.

    CL = 2
    ph = 7.3
    FC = 3
    CC = .5
    TC = 3.5
    TA = 80
    CH = 140
    CYA = Never lost sight of the black dot. It's real low!!!!
    Salt = 4360

    I understand my salt is a little high. I am still tweaking on it. That is a new toy for me. I am now running it for 8 hours total every day. 4 hours in the middle of the night and 4 hours in the late afternoons. I am assuming once I get the CYA level up, I might be able to reduce the run time on the chlorine generator? Any other input and suggestions on my readings?
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    The most important thing is the one you already know, get your CYA level up right away. I am assuming your pool is above ground, if so the only other issue is that salt is a little high.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    I am calculating about 290 ounces of CYA to get my levels up. That is approximately 20 lbs. Am I wrong on my calculations? Based on approximately 29000 gallon pool.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Going from zero to 75 ppm you're close. It takes 18 lbs. I'd shoot for about 60 and then see where that gets you. Then add the rest if you need to.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Will adding 16 lbs. of granular acid give me a big differential pressure on my pump? Is it going to reduce my pump output? Also, putting that much acid in, how long before I can swim? Is it going to affect my SWG? I have no way of bypassing my SWG. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    What filter do you have?

    It won't make a big difference in pressure and if it makes a little it won't for long. NOTE: If you even think you might need to clean the filter for a week don't pour the CYA in the skimmer. Hang it in front of a running return. I suggest doing that anyway.

    You can swim while pouring it in there if you want. Cyanuric is an acid but it's a very weak acid. It'll be diluted as soon as it hits the water.

    Pour it in very, very slowly. You don't want it clogging up the plumbing going to the filter.
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh
    Everyone who gets the speedstir loves it. I wouldn't get the R-0013 just yet. There is enough R-0013 in the kit for about two years worth of tests.
    I got a speedstir last week - love it!!
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    Re: Newbie to the SWG world!!!!

    Put it in. Didn't restrict flow from the pump. Checked today. Chlorine and Ph levels are dead on. I am going to wait until Thursday or Friday to test CYA again. Pool is crystal clear. I may end up reducing the run time on the SWG. Thanks for all of the help. I will keep updating this post until it's all leveled up.
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