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    Trying to get it right this year

    Hello everyone!
    For a first time pool owner I've sure made my share of mistakes, and I'm hoping to get everything right this year.

    My pool is an Intex 16 ft x 48 in Ultra Frame Pool and here is what I've done to the poor thing.
    On a positive note I've some how managed to keep my water clean

    Year 1
    It originally had the small filter pump, but after two months I upgraded to the 1,500 pump when I added the salt water generator (old style without the copper plates)
    During this upgrade I also cut the openings bigger for the larger inlet and outlet.
    (I also managed to completely bleach out the pattern on the vinyl at the water line because I was reading the test strips wrong )

    Year 2
    I took down my pool the first year because I started to feel a root from the near by tree and I didn't want to leave it in that spot.
    (I have since put a tarp under my pool and sand)

    Year 3
    The next year a good storm during the fall cause a branch to kill my winter cover so I had drain and take down the pool before it got damaged.
    when I unrolled the pool in the following spring I found decayed leaves in the bottom that I missed while hastily packing up the pool.
    These have left brown & black stains that nothing seems to be able to remove

    Year 4
    I was forced again to take my pool down mid season last year because my new neighbor decided to build his lawn up ~6" higher then anyone else then proceed to water his new lawn almost a week straight. this flooded me out, washed away my sand and cause the ground to soften enough to sink my pool
    (I have now dug drainage just in case, but have yet to re-level the ground)

    Ladder Issue
    The only other issue that come to mind is my ladder, the only deck mounted ladder I could get was a marine one, but after the first year most of the white paint had chipped off leaving bare metal.
    I sanded it to rough everything up and spray painted it with Rust-Oleum, but by the end of the next season the paint had chipped off again only sticking to the old paint.
    --Is this because the pool is salt water or is there something wrong with the metal? (I'm assuming it nothing I did because the old paint job came off in the same spots)

    Misc Questions
    Has anyone used vinyl dye on pools? I want to make the pool look better by covering up the bleached spot and the leaf stains.
    I read vinyl siding/fences/doors/windows can be stained with oil-based gel stain but was unsure if it would work on pools
    My other thought was mixing a very small amount of acetone into a stain because it is the binder used in vinyl dyes.

    Is foam better then sand under the pool? what foam is being used? (my sand got washed away somehow )

    I'm looking at getting the GAME SandPro 50 Pool Filter, should I do sand or that Zeolite stuff?

    Has anyone used the, Hydro Force Clear Water Pool System?
    I've been looking at getting this ozonator for a while now and now its currently on sale at a price I'm willing to pay.

    Also on my to do list is change to pvc pipe (I can never get all the bubbles out of this Intex ones and they are way too long), add a through the wall skimmer and finish building my solar heater.
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    I'll try an answer a couple of your questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    Is foam better then sand under the pool? what foam is being used?
    I think it is. For me it is easier to work with and it stays put. Extruded polystyrene like: http://www.homedepot.com/Building-Ma...&storeId=10051

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    I'm looking at getting the GAME SandPro 50 Pool Filter, should I do sand or that Zeolite stuff?
    I am using sand. There are mixed reviews on the zeolite and it is more expensive. That is a pretty small filter, even for your pool. You might consider stepping up to the 1600 gph intex sand filter, 2650 gph intex sand filter or maybe one of the smaller hayward pump/filter combos.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    I've been looking at getting this ozonator for a while now and now its currently on sale at a price I'm willing to pay.
    In general ozone is not needed in most private outdoor pools. Where there is constantly very high bather load to water ratio, such as in a public pool or a hot tub. You will still need a sanitizer such as chlorine, bromine, or biguanide.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    I was looking at the more expensive foam, its still gonna cost me about $100 but at least its cheaper now.
    I'll skip the zeolite, maybe I'll change when its time to change the sand.

    My choice on pumps and filters are very low, for some reason Canadian companies want twice as much as US ones and most US companies wont ship to Canada. Those who will charge so much for shipping I'm better off buying local. (there is just something about a $600 filter system on a $400 pool that bugs me)
    That being said, dropping the unneeded ozonator I can spend more on the filter and pump.

    Wayfair will ship to Canada for free and their prices are better then local, so I'm now looking at this guy: Hayward Polymeric Sand Filter System with Matrix Pump - S166T92S
    I can't seem to find the power requirements of the pump though, I'm hoping it will happily share a 15A 110v circuit with my SWG (or at least a 20A circuit [ran a 12/2 when I did the wiring so I'd only need to change the breaker and GFCI])
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    I was looking at the more expensive foam, its still gonna cost me about $100 but at least its cheaper now.
    I'll skip the zeolite, maybe I'll change when its time to change the sand.

    My choice on pumps and filters are very low, for some reason Canadian companies want twice as much as US ones and most US companies wont ship to Canada. Those who will charge so much for shipping I'm better off buying local. (there is just something about a $600 filter system on a $400 pool that bugs me)
    That being said, dropping the unneeded ozonator I can spend more on the filter and pump.

    Wayfair will ship to Canada for free and their prices are better then local, so I'm now looking at this guy: Hayward Polymeric Sand Filter System with Matrix Pump - S166T92S
    I can't seem to find the power requirements of the pump though, I'm hoping it will happily share a 15A 110v circuit with my SWG (or at least a 20A circuit [ran a 12/2 when I did the wiring so I'd only need to change the breaker and GFCI])
    Doesn't Amazon ship to Canada? They seem to have very competitive pricing on most pool stuff. I know they have the Intex 2650 gph sand filter for $210.00 right now.
    18' X 48" Intex Ultra Frame 6,400 gallons, Jacuzzi 90# Sand Filter, Jacuzzi 1HP Pump

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDan
    Doesn't Amazon ship to Canada? They seem to have very competitive pricing on most pool stuff. I know they have the Intex 2650 gph sand filter for $210.00 right now.
    Amazon.ca is basically a book and movie store, all the good stuff is on Amazon.com

    Most of the time I get this nice message:
    We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order.

    I am able to ship the Intex pump/filter but shipping is more then the item and I still have duty and tax to pay once its at my door.

    It also turns out Wayfair is very misleading with shipping info, they advertise free shipping and ships to Canada on the same page without any indication free shipping is US only until your checking out.

    Ha! a pool in Canada what was I thinking eh?

    The search continues.
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Just Ordered, Hayward 18" Polymeric Sand Filter System with 1 HP Matrix Pump - S180T92S
    Delivery estimate: On or before 5/21/2012

    I got it from Wayfair, turns out it was cheaper to get a Canadian made product form the US then in Canada.
    Of the price inquire emails that got responded to almost knocked me off my chair (700+ for the same setup pre ship & tax )
    Wayfair collected brokerage, tax and shipping and it only came to 520 Canadian.

    Tried to get the plumbing from my local Home Depot, that was a laugh.
    It is far from being a small store, but it had nothing!

    The only PVC pipe & fittings they had was 2" for central vac (there was some stuff for gas but nothing I needed)
    I even looked at the electrical PVC, no pipe! but lots of fittings (including the ones I need for intex adapters)

    My local Home Hardware (1/16th the size of Home Depot) also had nothing I needed BUT, unlike Home Depot the will bring everything in if I give them a list.

    Never got around to looking at Lowes but with it beside Walmart I'll check it out then I pick up the through the wall skimmer.
    (Doubt they have anything though, their website is nothing but a digital weekly flyer with guides)
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    My pump and filter has arrived

    Since I'm hard plumbing the pool, should I also hard plumb from the pump to the filter? (it came with a thick wall hose with braided enforcement, but I was thinking I should)

    I have sanded down my ladder, so It now just needs a fresh paint job. I decided to try truck bed paint, it should be more durable then the standard stuff.

    Also started re-leveling the ground (I will never build up again, only dig down), I'm assuming it would have been easier before a pool sat on it for 4 years compacting the dirt and clay.
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    I would probably use the braided between pump and filter since is doesn't require 90s and I am assuming the pump and filter are both attached to the same base therefore there should be no relative movement between them. That is how I am running from my pump to filter. That braided hose is pretty good stuff.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    They do share a base, so it looks like I can skip that bit of pipe.
    The hose looked rather heavy duty and will need a bit of heating to easily slip on the barbs, I figured it would be okay but wanted another opinion due to inexperience. (I've only used intex stuff)

    So it turns out no one in my town has through the wall skimmers so I'll be ordering one online. (along with a few fittings because there is almost no 1"1/4, 1"1/2, or 2" left in my town )
    Is a wide mouth skimmer too wide for a Intex 16 ft x 48 in Ultra Frame?
    There is almost no price difference between the wide and normal, so I figured "get the biggest one"
    -Components- Intex Ultra Frame 16' x 48" (5,061 gal.) [Mods: Standard sized Drain and Return holes & 6" Through-Wall Skimmer], Hayward 1HP pump and 18" Sand Filter, Intex SWG (old one) -Plumbing- Bottom Drain & Skimmer > Diverter > Pump & Filter > T > Fountain & SWG > Return. -Custom Parts- Bottom Drain: 4x Strainers on drain port, Return: 3x jets on return port, Intex Adapters: info link

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    The hose looked rather heavy duty and will need a bit of heating to easily slip on the barbs, I figured it would be okay but wanted another opinion due to inexperience. (I've only used intex stuff)
    I can usually get it on without heating. In a few cases I have used a little silicone lubricant to help. Heating is okay, but it can slightly damage the pipe.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    Is a wide mouth skimmer too wide for a Intex 16 ft x 48 in Ultra Frame?
    Most people use the narrow mouth on intex pools. I have not seen a good explanation why, but I one reason might be weight (when filled with water). If you have a way to support it, I would think you could use a widemouth.
    TFP Expert who uses Pool School and my TF100 test kit along with PoolMath for my: Round 11K gallon AGP with deep end, 20" sand filter, Matrix 1hp 2spd, 6 2ftX20ft solar panels (and solar cover!), Intex SWCG (copper bars disconnected) and a Rubadub hot tub (chlorine). The SLAM process is not finished until: 1. CC < 0.5 ppm, 2. An OCLT < 1.0 ppm and, 3. The water is crystal clear.

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Quote Originally Posted by ShetiPhian
    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoDan

    Ha! a pool in Canada what was I thinking eh?

    The search continues.
    that is how I feel sometimes too
    13 x 24' x52" ultra frame pool (still in the box)
    Going to be set in 2.5' hole with deck at rail height sourounding entirely
    Cartridge filter ( we will see how that goes for one season)
    Natural gas heater and solar cover
    Plan to use bbb method! Yay!!

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    Re: Trying to get it right this year

    Hey, isn't living in a socialist country great!!!
    Although recently that distinction between Canada/USA seems to be getting blurry.

    I'm lucky enough to live about 500 yards from the Michigan border, everyone here orders things online from the US and then ships to a UPS freight company in Michigan, then just go there and pick it up.
    The guy charges 5 bucks to accept and hold each pkg and is laughing all the way to the bank, the line of Canadian customers at Christmas is out the door, seriously.

    Hope your pool install goes well.

    PS, if you haven't already, wait until you compare test kit prices, Canadian prices are absolutely ridiculous.
    20' X 54" Sharkline Matrix Resin AGP, 9400 Gallons, Sta-Rite 1 HP Dynamo Pump, 150 lb Pentair Sand Filter, Gorilla Pad,
    Foam Cove, Taylor K-2006 kit, BBB method, 8'X20' Fafco Sunsaver Hard Plumb, DIY Fountain, Margarittaville Fiji


    My Build: one-man-one-pool-and-one-deck-agp-pics-t37172.html
    My Build 'To-Do' List for other DIY'ers: my-pool-build-list-t40249.html?hilit=list

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