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    Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    My water has been cloudy as fugg. I bought a foreclosure last May. I went to the pool store and they sold us about $300 worth of Baquacrap. Lets just say the pool was never where we wanted to be. This spring comes (round 2). I stumbled upon this forum and heard raves of the BBB method. I have probably spent a good $120 on bleach so far, my pool has cleared up, but it is still cloudy. Went to target bought a bottle of Aquachem Sink and Sweep, but i just left it in my garage for the next 3 weeks. Finally yesterday, after weeks perfect test scores, of the filter running, backwash after backwash, borax after borax, bleach bottle after bleach, shock, chlorine tabs & clarifier, I decided that I exhausted all options and broke down. Applied this through skimmer, w/o basket for 10 minutes, returned basket to skimmer and recirculated another 2 hours, then cut off filter for 24 hours. Am I on to something here?

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Am I on to something here?
    No, not really. Everything we do here begins with accurate test results and then we can suggest a path for you to take. Once that starts, you should read all the articles in Pool School and you will begin to get a foothold on what's wrong with your pool and, importantly, the right thing to do about it
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    I opened to the worst black swamp ever this year. It was so murky I couldn't see past the surface. With the help of these guys, the proper test kit, and following the BBB my pool is in better shape than it has been in the past three years. I know it's easy to run to the pool store and them tell you to buy x, y, z but most of them don't understand the BBB method and their advice conflicts with what you'll learn here.
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Have you read "Convert Your Baqua Pool to Chlorine" in Pool School?
    Also, make sure to get the organics (sticks, leaves....) out of the pool.
    "after weeks perfect test scores" What were they and how did you measure them?
    Did you change out your filter media? (by the way what is your equipment?)
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Quote Originally Posted by mcoonan
    Have you read "Convert Your Baqua Pool to Chlorine" in Pool School?
    Also, make sure to get the organics (sticks, leaves....) out of the pool.
    "after weeks perfect test scores" What were they and how did you measure them?
    Did you change out your filter media? (by the way what is your equipment?)
    Yeah I think more of the problem is with vacuum and filtering than bbb...yesterday i opened up the pump basket and it was filled w/ twigs. The pool came with a basic haywood sand filter....I've been using a brush/vacuum head I found at walmart...I do have a weighted vacuum head coming in the mail. My filter sucks though, Ithink that's the problem.

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    Like Dave said above, proper maintenance and balanced water chemistry is dependent on accurate testing. Do you have your own test kit? If not, I suggest the TF-100 from tftestkits.net. This will cost a fraction of what you have already spent on chemicals, and save you LOTS of time and money in the long run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blakej
    Like Dave said above, proper maintenance and balanced water chemistry is dependent on accurate testing. Do you have your own test kit? If not, I suggest the TF-100 from tftestkits.net. This will cost a fraction of what you have already spent on chemicals, and save you LOTS of time and money in the long run!
    In have a ta fc cc ph liquid drop kit I bought off ebay...and 2 kinds of test strips...like Isaid before, I'm thinking the maintenance is a bigger factor than the testing

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    That's great to hear you have a test kit! What are you current levels?

    Also, have you gotten a chance to check out Pool School and the Pool Calculator? (links in my signature box)

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    updated photos...ordered a taylor k-2005 from ebay, it's on it's way. Did the sink and sweep and vacuum process a good three times. My test strips had Hardness at 100, so I ordered some increaser. Dumped in 4 182 oz bottles of bleach yesterday just for fun. PH was 7.8 w/ my liquid test kit, but 7.2 with test strips Alkalinity is around 100. These pictures are with the filter running of course, ill cut the filter off and post more pics tomm.






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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Hi, someone asked earlier if you changed the sand in your filter after the baquacil conversion. If you have not you really need to do this. Stuff getting past the filter is a sign of channeling, meaning the sand has compacted to the point it is hardened and the water is cutting channels into the sand that allows some debris to pass through the filter back into the pool.
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Quote Originally Posted by zea3
    Hi, someone asked earlier if you changed the sand in your filter after the baquacil conversion. If you have not you really need to do this. Stuff getting past the filter is a sign of channeling, meaning the sand has compacted to the point it is hardened and the water is cutting channels into the sand that allows some debris to pass through the filter back into the pool.
    Thank you for your suggestion. I haven't gotten around to changing the filter sand, maybe i will do that next payday. I hear I should change the laterals as well?

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Unless the laterals are broken they should be fine. Just be very careful changing the sand as laterals can be easily damaged.
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    I'd try this before changing the sand. http://www.troublefreepool.com/my-sa...lit=channeling
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    Quote Originally Posted by macgulley
    I'd try this before changing the sand. http://www.troublefreepool.com/my-sa...lit=channeling
    thanks, im gonna try this whenever i have a chance

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Quote Originally Posted by macgulley
    I'd try this before changing the sand. http://www.troublefreepool.com/my-sa...lit=channeling
    After a baquacil conversion you still have to change the sand.
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Quote Originally Posted by zea3
    Quote Originally Posted by macgulley
    I'd try this before changing the sand. http://www.troublefreepool.com/my-sa...lit=channeling
    After a baquacil conversion you still have to change the sand.
    Ahh, I didn't know that. Well, at least might it buy some time till payday?
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Unfortunately the k-2005 test kit does not have the all important FAS-DPD chlorine test ... which is why we recommend the k-2006 or the TF100.

    Fortunately you can add just that test to give you a full kit. Tftestkits.net sells it and you may get it from Dave faster than your kit from ebay.

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Update

    Received my Taylor k-2005...Test results from Sat 2 hours after i poured a bag of shock (Cal-hypo)

    TC - 5+
    FC - 5+
    CC - 0??
    TA - 110
    CH - 190
    PH - 7.4
    CYA - a little under 30

    I ordered the FAS/DPD test, as well as 3 bags of sand last night.

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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    That's why you need the FAS-DPD chlorine test. You can't test past 5. Looks like you are on your way to doing good. Being in AZ, you probably need to have your CYA around 40 at a minimum if the pool gets a lot of sun. For now you can keep using that floater and trichlor tabs, but keep an eye on the CYA, shoot for 40 as a goal for now, and don't let it get over 50!
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    Re: Oh my god Sink and Sweep! Cloudy water

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieH
    That's why you need the FAS-DPD chlorine test. You can't test past 5. Looks like you are on your way to doing good. Being in AZ, you probably need to have your CYA around 40 at a minimum if the pool gets a lot of sun. For now you can keep using that floater and trichlor tabs, but keep an eye on the CYA, shoot for 40 as a goal for now, and don't let it get over 50!
    Oh i'm in Virginia not AZ, unless you were abbreviating something else

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