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    Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    This is my first pool (a DIYer) and I'll be building it using an "unusual" type of wall construction that would allow me to use an stock AGP liner. This is because I have to work with a rather limited selection of materials available for pool construction in the country in which I live (Nicaragua). The walls will be made using a ferrocement-like material (Covintec panels) that are strong enough to be either free standing (above ground) or buried, as in my case.

    The pool is 18 feet in diameter and 5 feet deep at the wall. (Swimline makes a stock overlap liner for a 60" wall--not an expandable liner.) I have 4 main questions (with sub questions), and although I have some ideas about them myself I would greatly appreciate your thoughts based on your experience, or even an idea that comes to mind.

    1. If I am building an 18 foot diameter pool, should the inside, finished wall diameter be exactly 18 feet? Can I expect an 18 foot liner (from Swimline, for instance) to fit precisely into an 18 foot diameter shell, with a little bit of stretch in the liner to fit cleanly? I've talked to a few vendors and some said yes while others thought adding an inch or two to the pool's diameter would be better. Really! Nicaragua is a rather long and expensive way to ship a liner that doesn't fit (let alone thinking about returning it).

    2. Is there sufficient stretch in the base material of an 18 foot diameter liner for it to stretch into a bottom that is dished out 6 inches like image 1 (Liner Strecth.jpg)? If not 6" then 3"? Would this depend on the mil or gauge thickness? Could I do this with a 30 mil or gauge liner?

    3. I've explored several options for fixing the overlap edge. The fallback is the conventional thin, rim edge and coping strip (as an "add-on" fitting to the ferrocement wall). However, I'd really like to wrap the overlap liner over a 1 inch thick radiused edge as in image 2 (Coping1.jpg). Would there be sufficient elasticity in the liner to do this?

    4. Another option for fastening the top of the liner is to use termination bars (as they are called in the vinyl roofing and on-site pool liner installation industries - see image 3-Termiunation Bars.jpg), or face plates as they my be called for sealing off steps and swim-outs for in-ground vinyl liners. I've talked to a few liner installers and they all say that the strips are only available for installs that they work on and are not available separately. I found one vendor for the roofing industry (Best Materials) but was wondering if anyone knew of something more specific to the pool industry.

    Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
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    Re: Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    On ground pools expect a 48" or 52" wall. You are way over that at 5 feet.

    If your walls were 52", some liners, but not all, can stretch in the center to allow dishing out.

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    Re: Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    some walls are 54"

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    Re: Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    Thanks Scott, DB,

    Quote Originally Posted by PoolGuyNJ
    On ground pools expect a 48" or 52" wall. You are way over that at 5 feet.

    If your walls were 52", some liners, but not all, can stretch in the center to allow dishing out.

    Scott

    When you say "some liners" I would greatly appreciate some more specific information (manufacturer-a reputable one, style/model, gauge/mil thickness, ???) based on your experience? The experience/knowledge of TFP members is very helpful to me since there is absolutely no pool industry in this country that I can tap into for advice or bounce ideas around.

    And perhaps the most important of my questions is the first about AG pool diameter. A number of posts in TFP state that "liners stretch a lot". Are commercially fabricated AG pools exactly the diameter specified and liners "undersized" to stretch to fit thereby reducing or eliminating wrinkles? Can I make my walls exactly 18 feet in diameter and expect an 18' liner to fit wrinkle free?
    "I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference." (R. Frost); 12.5K gal; 18'x72" round joined to 10x16x18" oval; vinyl liners; ferrocement-like wall panels; perimeter wet edge; fountain and cascade; Pentair Dynamo 1hp 2 spd; Pentair CC75 filter; Pentair no-lube valves. My build here.

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    Re: Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    you can buy expandable liners that are about 6' in depth

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    Re: Custom, Buried AGP - Liner Installation ?s

    I would order a custom liner as when you are done building the pool it's unlikely that it will be 18' exactly. Regardless by ordering custom you can choose whatever wall height you want. I personally prefer a liner with a bead as opposed to a over hang liner. It looks better to me, not to mention you then gain the ability to order a liner with a border. Don't order the liner any bigger than your measurements. You live in a very warm area, vinyl will turn into chewing gum if you have direct sun and 90 degree heat. When you measure the depth, measure near the edge of the wall. You want a liner to stretch into place, if ordered too large you will have wrinkles that can not be moved. A 6" bowl hopper in the middle is not going to affect the liner, it will stretch into place (you don't need to worry about trying to measure the bowl.) When measuring yes, the inside where the liner touches the pool wall is where you measure not the outside of the pool. You can try to get it close to 18' but if you order custom it won't really matter. By the way I order from http://www.poconopoolproducts.com/
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