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    UPDATED Build IN PROGRESS!

    Please scroll down for the pics and update, thanks to TFP for helping us make informed decisions along the way!

    Hello TFP, below is what we're considering after interviewing 5-6 PBs, we have narrowed it down to 2 final contenders.
    We welcome your feedback and any suggestions you might have, thanks in advance for the help!

    True L shape, cement wall, vinyl liner pool
    20x40x28
    928 sq ft
    Hayward super pump 1.5hp
    Hayward Pro Series Sand filter
    1.5" rigid pvc lines
    Polaris 360 robot
    Hayward 500w astrolite
    AquaComfort SWG
    Safetymesh cover

    The other builder does all Jandy equipment, 2hp and 2" lines. Also, suggests cartridge or DE filter and said the sand filters are garbage. I"m curious to get some feedback on those items and what would be a good fit for our yard. Thanks

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Are both PBs using concrete walls?

    Inch and a half plumbing is inadequate.

    A two HP pump is too big.

    A couple LED fixtures really would be so much nicer.

    With a lit pool, I do prefer DE's clarity.

    If your builders are in Monmouth, I have a pretty good idea who they might be.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Thanks Scott.

    Are both PBs using concrete walls? Yes

    Inch and a half plumbing is inadequate. So ask for all 2", even if the pump has 1.5 inlets?

    A two HP pump is too big. So 1.5hp is good?

    A couple LED fixtures really would be so much nicer. Even if we're leaning toward a Medium Blue liner?

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    I'm glad I have a 2-speed pump. Can't go wrong with options.
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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Thanks speedo, so the 2 speed runs quieter and saves money?

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    Return inlets at 1.5" are fine as long as they are tied to a larger feeder loop or partial loop.

    The suction outlets should be 2"/

    A two speed is ok but I prefer a variable speed pump

    The liner color/pattern won't matter. The light is going to show whatever color it is shining.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    What about sched 40 flexible vs rigid pvc for the lines?

    1 PB uses all rigid, the other uses some rigid and some flexible?

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Go all Rigid, flexible can possibly collapse on the suction side...
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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    So if 1 of the PB we are considering uses flexible in some places and rigid in others, I should just request all rigid right?

    Also, they use all 1.5" pipe with a 1 1/2 hp Hayward pump while the other PB uses all 2" pipe and 2hp Jandy pump.
    What kind of price difference would that equate to in their quotes?

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    The pipe cost from 1 /1/2 to 2 is minor. I would of went with a variable speed pump if they had them when my pool was built. I have 2 1/2" pipe, the problem with that is box stores don't carry 2 /12" pipe fittings.
    IG 18x36 oval vinyl, Spill over spa, Northstar 2hp-2spd, 2.5" piping, S310T 500lb Sand filter, 400k gas heater, AutoPilot SWCG
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    A 2 HP single speed is too big. Make it a 2 speed and you're golden.

    Done properly, the 2.5" shouldn't need touching. The use of unions and enough space should prevent anything short of a lawn mower accident from needing to. The 2.5" stuff is normally, on residential pools, only on the above ground suction feeding the pump or suction lines from a spa. Any pool that has a larger need should be using commercial gear, IMHO.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Thanks. Scott, my choices are 1.5 or 2" pipe, so I'm not sure if the 2.5" pipe comment was meant for me??

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    The lines from the skimmer and drains will likely be 2". The 2.5" could be used where these lines combine but the short distance involved wouldn't get you much of a reduction in head loss like a 1.5" set for feeds into a 2" line would get and you aren't looking at adding a spa to your config AFAIK.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Well a small update, I think we have decided on a builder and may sign this weekend.
    We're leaning toward the pb that uses all 2" rigid pipe, all jandy equip, 2hp pump, cartridge filter and aqua comfort swg.

    When asked about a variable or 2 speed pump to save energy, they said it would take 9-10 years to recoup the $1600-1800 cost of the pump since we have a relatively short season here in NJ, what does the group think about that?

    Any other ideas/thoughts are welcome and thanks to everyone so far for the help, this is a great forum and has taught me a ton already.

    I need to join up and help support this place when I get back home.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    When asked about a variable or 2 speed pump to save energy, they said it would take 9-10 years to recoup the $1600-1800 cost of the pump since we have a relatively short season here in NJ, what does the group think about that?
    I'd say that builder is pretty astute. However, that applies to a VS pump but not to a 2-speed. A 2 speed is not that much more and can result in some VERY significant payback.....pretty quickly.

    If you like his other ideas, pricing, etc. (it all makes sense to me) I would ask him to price the difference for you of a 1-speed 2HP vs a 2-speed, 2hp (or even a 1.5HP 2 speed would work.)

    A constant speed 2HP on that size pool won't hurt much but it will get into your wallet in electricity costs unnecessarily.

    Post pics of your build when you get started!
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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Thanks Dave. I will ask about the 2 speed and what the price difference is.
    Looking around the web, the 2 speed would use about $30 less electricity per month and the purchase price is about $110 more than the single speed. Sound about right?

    Also, I will post pics hopefully starting late April/early May! Then I'll have to order a test kit too.

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    Re: New Build New Jersey!

    Well here goes, we have a big hole in our backyard....

    We went with the PB with all 2" rigid pipe, all Jandy equipment, SWG, etc, so far so good. They've been at it almost 1 week and here's what we've had done so far

    Dig
    forms/concrete pour
    forms removed
    plumbing
    liner measured/ordered

    Next up- electric, then backfill, then...

    A few pics for your enjoyment, any feedback is appreciated, if anyone sees something of concern, please shout it out!




    My son VERY HAPPY about a digger and dump truck in HIS backyard!




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    Re: UPDATED Build IN PROGRESS!

    Nice! Can't wait to see it finished!

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